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wtf are u talking about? Over 16 mio of germans/people living in germany have a migrant background, its the second most popular immigration country after the U

wtf are u talking about? Over 16 mio of germans/people living in germany have a migrant background, its the second most popular immigration country after the USA according to the OECD. Src: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-20/immigration-boom-propels-germany-past-u-k-in-new-oecd-ranking https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-05-20/immigrati...

zubale 9y ago
It doesn't mean they are welcome.
- otheotheothe 9y ago
  I don't know a single person in the german tech industry who gives a shit about where you are from, did you ever live there at all? It doesn't seem to me that immigrants are welcome in the USA either as a whole (disclaimer: i am german working for a NYC company), but the tech community is different there, more open and interested in what you can offer instead of how you look. It's basically the same from my very own experience, your whole argument seems non sense to me, Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne for example are one of the most diverse cities i have ever been to especially when i compare it to South East Asia where i currently life.
  - zubale 9y ago
    I live in Berlin. Did you ever visit the SV to say that immigrants aren't welcome there? Diversity does not mean mixing. You can put a lot of different fluids in a pot and they won't mix. I see a lot of different people here, but except for business (aka money) reasons, there is few mixing.
    - otheotheothe 9y ago
      You lack reading comprehension, i said in the tech hubs immigrants are welcome more than in other parts especially rural areas. So yes, of course SV and NYC are more open to immigration then the countryside, same as in germany. Compared to SEA both countries (DE and USA) are super welcoming, here in Thailand as a foreigner it's damn hard, i cannot even own a business as a majority owner. Nor can i buy land, it's also next to impossible to ever get a permant residency. Other SEA countries are the same, its pretty discouraging.
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- kayoone 9y ago
  I work in the Berlin startup world and i can tell you that probably the majority of people are not german. Lots of new people coming from all over the world, english is the most dominant language. I myself am the only german in a company that has employees from Brazil, US, Canada, India and Spain.
  - koevet 9y ago
    Hi, I'm moving to Berlin soon, do you mind getting in touch? Thanks! Contact info on my HN profile.
  - realityking 9y ago
    Same here, the startup I work for has ~100 employees less than a 1/5 are native German speakers. Though some team (e.g. operations, HR) are obviously more biased to people who speak the language well.
zubale 9y ago
Actually immigration was desperately needed by them to rebuild the country devastated by the ww2, that's was the only reason, we all know. But children born there from those people who immigrated to reconstruct their country weren't considered German until jus soli citizenship be adopted (with caveats) only in 2000. It is very normal to see in Berlin for example, German born people who aren't considered Germans, neither have citizenship, only because they are children of foreigners.
- otheotheothe 9y ago
  The country has been mostly rebuild by germans itself with a lot of financial aid of course. The 60s immigration wave was caused by the west german Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle), due to the eastern german wall it was not possible for east germans and other eastern europeans to migrate to western germany. Thus they invited turkish citizens as a lot of manufacturing jobs in the automobile industry and co. needed workers. Stop making up alternative facts.
  - zubale 9y ago
    Thanks for the explanation. Can you also explain why the children of those turkish citizens as the example that you pick, aren't considered German citizens and neither were able to get the German citizenship even after being born and growing up as adults in Germany?
    - Tomte 9y ago
      Because they didn't want to give up Turkish citizenship, probably. Germany severely limits double citizenship. Apart from that I cannot see a real obstacle if they have lived here for years.
    - otheotheothe 9y ago
      Yes, there are 2 old concepts which are used by most countries. 1) Jus sanguinis (latin for blood ties or right of blood), this means u get citizenship if one of your parents is a citizen of country X. 2) Jus soli (latin for right of the soil), which means u get citizenship by the territory you are born on. Both countries the USA and Germany nowadays have a mix of those, Germany had 1. back in the day and then introduced 2. over time, also special foreigner laws like getting a permant residency permit quiet eaily after you have been there for 8 years. SEA especially Thailand has still only 1. so it's quiet impossible to get permant residencies till today - but fear not, you can bribe urself in paying money and its called the thai elite card -.-
Boothroid 9y ago
Let's also not forget that lots of Germans today actually have a fair percentage of Russian blood following WW2. I'll leave the cause to the imagination.

zubale 9y ago

It doesn't mean they are welcome.

otheotheothe 9y ago
I don't know a single person in the german tech industry who gives a shit about where you are from, did you ever live there at all? It doesn't seem to me that immigrants are welcome in the USA either as a whole (disclaimer: i am german working for a NYC company), but the tech community is different there, more open and interested in what you can offer instead of how you look. It's basically the same from my very own experience, your whole argument seems non sense to me, Berlin, Hamburg, Cologne for example are one of the most diverse cities i have ever been to especially when i compare it to South East Asia where i currently life.
- zubale 9y ago
  I live in Berlin. Did you ever visit the SV to say that immigrants aren't welcome there? Diversity does not mean mixing. You can put a lot of different fluids in a pot and they won't mix. I see a lot of different people here, but except for business (aka money) reasons, there is few mixing.
  - otheotheothe 9y ago
    You lack reading comprehension, i said in the tech hubs immigrants are welcome more than in other parts especially rural areas. So yes, of course SV and NYC are more open to immigration then the countryside, same as in germany. Compared to SEA both countries (DE and USA) are super welcoming, here in Thailand as a foreigner it's damn hard, i cannot even own a business as a majority owner. Nor can i buy land, it's also next to impossible to ever get a permant residency. Other SEA countries are the same, its pretty discouraging.
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kayoone 9y ago
I work in the Berlin startup world and i can tell you that probably the majority of people are not german. Lots of new people coming from all over the world, english is the most dominant language. I myself am the only german in a company that has employees from Brazil, US, Canada, India and Spain.
- koevet 9y ago
  Hi, I'm moving to Berlin soon, do you mind getting in touch? Thanks! Contact info on my HN profile.
- realityking 9y ago
  Same here, the startup I work for has ~100 employees less than a 1/5 are native German speakers. Though some team (e.g. operations, HR) are obviously more biased to people who speak the language well.

zubale 9y ago

Actually immigration was desperately needed by them to rebuild the country devastated by the ww2, that's was the only reason, we all know. But children born there from those people who immigrated to reconstruct their country weren't considered German until jus soli citizenship be adopted (with caveats) only in 2000. It is very normal to see in Berlin for example, German born people who aren't considered Germans, neither have citizenship, only because they are children of foreigners.

otheotheothe 9y ago
The country has been mostly rebuild by germans itself with a lot of financial aid of course. The 60s immigration wave was caused by the west german Wirtschaftswunder (economic miracle), due to the eastern german wall it was not possible for east germans and other eastern europeans to migrate to western germany. Thus they invited turkish citizens as a lot of manufacturing jobs in the automobile industry and co. needed workers. Stop making up alternative facts.
- zubale 9y ago
  Thanks for the explanation. Can you also explain why the children of those turkish citizens as the example that you pick, aren't considered German citizens and neither were able to get the German citizenship even after being born and growing up as adults in Germany?
  - Tomte 9y ago
    Because they didn't want to give up Turkish citizenship, probably. Germany severely limits double citizenship. Apart from that I cannot see a real obstacle if they have lived here for years.
  - otheotheothe 9y ago
    Yes, there are 2 old concepts which are used by most countries. 1) Jus sanguinis (latin for blood ties or right of blood), this means u get citizenship if one of your parents is a citizen of country X. 2) Jus soli (latin for right of the soil), which means u get citizenship by the territory you are born on. Both countries the USA and Germany nowadays have a mix of those, Germany had 1. back in the day and then introduced 2. over time, also special foreigner laws like getting a permant residency permit quiet eaily after you have been there for 8 years. SEA especially Thailand has still only 1. so it's quiet impossible to get permant residencies till today - but fear not, you can bribe urself in paying money and its called the thai elite card -.-

Boothroid 9y ago

Let's also not forget that lots of Germans today actually have a fair percentage of Russian blood following WW2. I'll leave the cause to the imagination.