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The people voted, not Cameron. One could argue that the root political problem is the EU itself. Nationalist movements are on the rise across Europe: The Dutc

The people voted, not Cameron. One could argue that the root political problem is the EU itself. Nationalist movements are on the rise across Europe: The Dutch are about to give their top choice a pretty hard core 'anti Muslim' guy. The French will have a runoff between Le Pen and probably Macron. The Sweden Democrats are polling at 22%. True Finns have incredible influence. Austrian nationalists lost the presidency by a tiny margin. Brexit. Poland. Danish nationalists form government. Admittedly, Catalonia and Scotland are a different strain. And a massive division between periphery, core and Eastern Europe on 'existential' issues. For most of these issue, failure of EU leadership, and hostility and intransigence towards the will of the plebes led to this. It could have been avoided. 'For or Against' - the EU as we know it is dead - it didn't want to adapt - so Europe is adapting underneath it. I don't think it will break up, but nothing will ever be the same in EU-land.

holri 10y ago
* Austrian nationalists lost the presidency by a tiny margin. * 46.21 % to 53.79 % is NOT a tiny margin.
- jpetso 10y ago
  Those are the numbers for the second attempt, where the first attempt was 50.3% vs. 49.7%, won only after counting mail votes, and that first result got annulled because of challenged vote counts.
  - holri 10y ago
    This second attempt is a huge success of the far left wing candidate, while everybody was and is still babbling about an unstoppable right wing trend.
k-mcgrady 10y ago
>> One could argue that the root political problem is the EU itself. I would argue it's the politicians. No matter what way you voted it's clear that the campaigns around the referendum were incredibly dishonest. Politicians were largely playing games to further their careers and were willing to say what they had to to succeed. We need to do something to ensure referendums deal only in fact because a large portion of voters have no interest in doing their own research and will vote on lies and propaganda.
s_kilk 10y ago
> The people voted, not Cameron. Cameron only offered the Brexit referendum because he was afraid of the more far-right Tories going UKIP.

holri 10y ago

* Austrian nationalists lost the presidency by a tiny margin. * 46.21 % to 53.79 % is NOT a tiny margin.

jpetso 10y ago
Those are the numbers for the second attempt, where the first attempt was 50.3% vs. 49.7%, won only after counting mail votes, and that first result got annulled because of challenged vote counts.
- holri 10y ago
  This second attempt is a huge success of the far left wing candidate, while everybody was and is still babbling about an unstoppable right wing trend.

k-mcgrady 10y ago

>> One could argue that the root political problem is the EU itself. I would argue it's the politicians. No matter what way you voted it's clear that the campaigns around the referendum were incredibly dishonest. Politicians were largely playing games to further their careers and were willing to say what they had to to succeed. We need to do something to ensure referendums deal only in fact because a large portion of voters have no interest in doing their own research and will vote on lies and propaganda.

s_kilk 10y ago

> The people voted, not Cameron. Cameron only offered the Brexit referendum because he was afraid of the more far-right Tories going UKIP.