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High-Memory Instances and $5 Linodes
- zzzeek 10y agoI would love to add a couple of gigs of RAM to an existing linode for a small monthly fee. But there's this dropdown on the "extras" page, "90 MB additional ram - $5.00 / mo", down to "360 MB additional ram - $20.00 / mo". Yes, those are MEGAbytes. As in, you can get a 4.36G/ram node for twice the price as a 4G/ram node. Very strange.
- jncraton 10y agoI've always felt that those options were mostly there as a stopgap while you migrate to a larger instance or figure out another plan. I don't think they want most users adding features a la carte as that would throw off their numbers and make it difficult to efficiently provision instances.
- mwpmaybe 10y agoThose are legacy options and to the best of my understanding are not available on new accounts or after switching legacy accounts to hourly billing.
- tomschlick 10y agoNice to see Linode stepping up again and competing hard with DO. Other than the Christmas 2015 DDOS, I have never had any significant issues with Linode. Especially in the Dallas DC.
- colept 10y agoI've been with Linode for a little over five years and a satisfied customer. That being said - their policy for handling DMCA notices is abysmal. They will network filter out your Linode until you respond to the notice.
- tomschlick 10y agoI can't speak to that really. Never had it happen and my work's customers are in Commercial Real Estate so our services don't dabble with DMCA notices. Hopefully they at least give you some warning before a filter is placed.
- throwaway2016a 10y agoMight finally get me to give up my ChunkHost account for throw-away servers.
- ovi256 10y agoOVH.com is selling 2GB VMs for 2.99 Euros per month. No idea about over-provisioning or any comparison with Linode though.
- debacle 10y agoI'll say this as someone who's pretty happy being on Digital Ocean - Linode's support is amazing. If they had had a $5 price point for one-and-done projects forever ago, I would have never used DO.
- hackerboos 10y agoOVH basically tell you not to use these for production applications. I have 3 that I use for as gitlab-runners and as a dokku development server.
- bogdanu 10y agoI was planning to use one for a side project. Can you give a link where they say that? I have one for a few months and according to htop, the VM is up and running for over 90 days.
- tiger3 10y agoI've been using one for a side project for a while and they're perfectly fine if you're ok with one core and 2gb of memory.
- trome 10y agoSure, below is a link to some unhappy users posts. If you look on LowEndTalk, people commonly discuss how sub-10MB/s disk IO on the VPS SSD 1 plan is common, and many use these as cheap Tor relays, as OVH does not care what users do. I'd rather something like ImpactVPS or Linode, as with either I know things will be decently managed, unlike OVH. Don't get me wrong, those VPSes make great dev boxes or Tor relays, they just have no performance or reliability guarantees AT ALL! Do not risk your business on them, spend a few minutes to find either a smaller provider with good management (generally at the same price point or lower), or pay up for Linode or AWS. Link: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1470503 http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=1470503
- gcb0 10y agoIn the past they kept changing their pricing. I was paying for the smallest one (static site and a few prototypes) around $150/yr. Then they advertised that per-use would be mandatory and cheaper for everyone. I kept the site there barelly receiving any hit, using 0% of cpu and network. Endedup paying well over $250 after 12 monthly charges.
- teach 10y agoUnless I'm mistaken, per-use means you aren't billed for the server when it's powered down. If the server is up, even if you use 0% CPU, you're getting charged. Per-use is a lot cheaper for people that spin up servers to meet demand and kill them once things slow down.
- cmg 10y agoFrom Linode's FAQ: "If My Linode is Powered Off, Will I Be Billed? If your Linode is powered off, but is still added as a service on your account, you will still be billed for it. This is because Linode maintains your saved data and reserves your ability to use other resources like RAM, transfer, etc. even when your Linode is powered off. You will be billed for any other active Linode service, such as Longview Pro or an extra IP, as well." [0] https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments
- astrodust 10y ago"If I'm not in my hotel room will I still be charged? I was at a ball game for three hours! Also I wasn't in my apartment all weekend, can I get a partial refund?" Seriously, people do not understand leasing and renting.
- gcb0 10y agoQuestion here is about they using the new model as a smoke curtain for the price hike. All their marketing during the change was how it was cheaper. When it clearly was over double the price. And your argument is "it is cheaper if you are not using". So good luck going to a hotel and not booking any room so it can be cheaper.
- gkop 10y agoIs this a bold move by Linode, or am I the only Linode customer (7 years going) who chose them in part because they steered clear of the bottom of the market?
- mwpmaybe 10y agoI think it makes good business sense. It comes less than a year after they bumped the $10/mo instance to 2 GB RAM. They must have realized they were losing market share just by dint of there being no $5/mo option to compete with DO. Even though this is the bottom of the market, as you say, some of those "one-and-done" projects must hang around and need to scale eventually, and it's clearly easier to scale up on an existing platform than migrate to another. I know this takes away one of the two or three big reasons I ever have for using DO instead of Linode!
- fapjacks 10y agoI'm sorry, but this pricing doesn't put them anywhere near the bottom of the market. As someone that has been buying from the VPS market for almost twenty years now, Linode cannot in any reasonable verbiage be lumped in with the riffraff crap vendors at the bottom. I could rattle off a dozen or more companies run by thugs and thieves that truly define "bottom of the market" for VPS, and Linode, DO, Ramnode aren't even on the same planet.
- yumaikas 10y agoI know that I switched to Ramnode when I had problems with another VPS provider back in 2013 or so when one of the Admin panels was hacked across a large number of VPS providers. Ramnode was down for a few hours, the other VPS was down for a few days.
- rp36 10y agoI recently switched from DigitalOcean to Linode and could easily shave off 20% bill. The migration of VM was much easier than I expected (use rsync - https://lowendbox.com/blog/how-to-migrate-a-hosted-server-in-5-easy-steps-with-rsync/ https://lowendbox.com/blog/how-to-migrate-a-hosted-server-in...). My only complain is, I would like to take multiple manual backups even if it costed little extra.
- braindead_in 10y agoVM migration between the cloud hosting services is a big pain. I hope someone comes up with an app to do that.
- msbarnett 10y agoDigital Ocean really needs to cut their prices at this point. There's no compelling reason to pay them 50% more for the same thing.
- sgloutnikov 10y agoLove seeing competition at work. Two times in a week, after the T-Mobile/Verizon rate plan wars :)
- edko 10y agoRather than cut prices (I think $5 is low enough), I would prefer if they would beef up their specs. For $5, DO gives you only 512MB vs 1GB from Linode.
- msbarnett 10y ago6-of-1, half a dozen of the other. Halving their prices on all current instances gives you the same specs at the same pricepoints. I don't particularly care if they keep around a 512MB/$2.50 instance at that point.
- Crisco 10y agoI would, however, love that price point. It would be nice if I could run a few light-weight services on a VPS for $2.50 a month and then put my websites and other projects on a beefier VM. I currently use Linode, but if DigitalOcean offered something at that pricepoint they would be getting $2.50 more from me a month than they currently do.
- msbarnett 10y agoPure guess, but I'd imagine that payment processor fees don't make it particularly profitable to offer price levels much lower than $5.
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- pjungwir 10y agoLinode is my top choice for hosting, but lately I've been tinkering on a project that needs a lot of disk, and it's hard to find good options there. On AWS every dimension scales independently, but with Linode I can't buy disk without buying CPU and RAM too. When I had a similar need a few years ago, I wound up renting a dedicated server, where even the cheapest came with 2TB or so. I'd love to just stick with Linode, but I need an option to add disk!
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- nik736 10y ago"In the coming months we’ll be releasing into beta our new Linode Manager, RESTful API, and block storage service." From the blog post you just commented on ;-)
- pjungwir 10y agoGood catch. Thanks!
- wx196 10y agoI was in the same situation a year ago. Eventually found Vultr that allows attaching additional "disk instances". But despite that I would choose Linode for any resource-balanced project.
- chrisan 10y agoDigitalOcean has their new block storage https://www.digitalocean.com/products/storage/ https://www.digitalocean.com/products/storage/
- skrebbel 10y agoCool. Is "block storage" anything other than a fancy new word for "network drive"?
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- flaviuspopan 10y agoI love seeing cloud providers offering better deals, the more the merrier! However, I still have yet to find a better deal than the one Scaleway offers. ~$3/mo for a dual-core, 2GB RAM, 50GB SSD host. They also support terraform, rancher, swarm, etc. Been using them for a few months and haven't had a single complaint.
- Karunamon 10y agoI probably wouldn't host a blog there. Their ToS[1] has, among other things: - A prohibition against the propagation of data, images or sounds that may constitute defamation, an insult, denigration, or an infringement of privacy, image rights, good morals, or public order - Users are required to use decent and respectful language - Users are reminded that they must update software without excessive delay when a security failing is noted by the user or the software publisher or Scaleway This reads like: If you might offend anyone by the standards of the French, or might use strong language, or don't run the latest version of everything, this isn't the service for you. On the positive side, they lack the litany of restricted services that most hosting companies I've seen provide, and I don't see any prohibitions against using your paid for resources to their maximum, so that's good. US customers should note that all of their prices are in Euro, so -- for exchange rate shenanigans and currency exchange fees on most credit cards. There's no selector to show prices in USD. [1]: https://www.scaleway.com/terms/ https://www.scaleway.com/terms/
- mthoms 10y agoOn the other hand, being hosted in the EU means the data is (at least in theory) out of reach for US government agencies.
- ve55 10y agoI was concerned about this as well. I use Scaleway but I don't host any websites with notable content there. I haven't heard much about these terms being held against users, so I'm not sure how much action there would really be behind this type of stuff. With that said, it is definitely more comfortable to be on a host that doesn't have terms that are this strict.
- nik736 10y ago75 Mbps?? Are we in 2005? :-(
- tomschlick 10y agoThey just upped all plans to a min of 1000Mbps
- eatonphil 10y agoI think that was a misprint. The floor on all plans are now 1000Mbits. :)
- brilliantcode 10y agoI'm really curious to what people plan on doing with such insane amounts of ram. Maybe it's possible to scale with just RAM! Fire up a uWSGI + Flask and up the RAM as traffic increases.
- problems 10y agodatabase servers, redis and memcached I'm guessing. All of which are basically designed to take a memory-time tradeoff.
- icelancer 10y agoYes, this is what I use my high-memory servers for. Giant memcached and redis slabs.
- stefano 10y agoYou can run a memory-based DBMS. That will easily eat all the RAM you can throw at it.
- mwpmaybe 10y agoPSA: If you're using the Linode API, the 2048 plan is now PlanID 2 and the new 1024 plan is now PlanID 1. The other PlanIDs were incremented by one as well. I wish they hadn't done that, but there it is.
- ceejayoz 10y agoThat's really not cool.
- Matheus28 10y agoThat sucks. Those PlanIDs should never change.
- mwpmaybe 10y agoWell, they've changed in the past... it's fine as long as the plans corresponding to the PlanIDs never get smaller or more expensive. This particular change violates that assumption and so is definitely not fine.
- Matheus28 10y agoThe hardcoded plan (PlanID 2) that I had in my program was pointing to a 4 GB 2 CPU plan (4 GB), now it's pointing to a 2 GB 1 CPU plan (2 GB).
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- biot 10y agoThere is an API method to query plans: https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.linodeplans https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.linodeplans Presumably you can select the relevant ID based on plan properties (cores, RAM, etc.) rather than hardcoding IDs. Though I completely agree that once a plan has a specific ID, as long as that plan is available the ID should be constant.
- brettfarrow 10y agoI used to use Linode for some projects, and really appreciated their speed and server quality, which seemed better than Digital Ocean at the time. But after using them for 12-18 months, and losing several days of data due to the 2015 DDoS, and reading about more and more security issues, I switched back to DO and haven't looked back. The performance differences aren't noticeable to me, and I'd rather have my hosting through a company with a better security record than Linode.
- St-Clock 10y agoWe moved >1K$ hosting per month from them to StormOnDemand because of the lack of transparency on security issues, particularly the PagerDuty incident. This was heartbreaking because Linode's value (performance, reliability, support, price) is almost impossible to match if your requirements fit their VM configurations. But in the end, we did not want to risk another security or DDoS fiasco. We estimated that the risk was high that they would be targeted again, we could not believe their promises to get better at face value considering previous transparency issues, and we did not want to tell our customers that a company that had experienced security issues for the past three years had suffered from another attack[1]. They seem to have invested quite a lot in their networking infrastructure (kudos!), but I believe they still use their old coldfusion applications. [1] Non-technical customers often ask us why we are not hosting on Amazon because they heard it's where serious companies host their servers (!). We used to explain why Linode was a more cost-effective choice, but Linode was not a nice name to google in early 2016.
- ryukafalz 10y ago>but I believe they still use their old coldfusion applications. For now, yeah. But the new Manager mentioned in the blog post is just a client for our new API, which is written in Python.[1] You can even check out the new Manager now if you want: https://github.com/linode/manager https://github.com/linode/manager It's still in alpha (and separate from our regular service), but we're hoping to have it out in beta soon! [1] https://engineering.linode.com/2016/04/12/Announcing-APIv4.html https://engineering.linode.com/2016/04/12/Announcing-APIv4.h...
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- nilved 10y agoCan we stop ignoring the fact that Linode has been hacked several times and responded terribly in every case?
- mediaserf 10y agoThat is why I stopped using Linode. It wasn't the fact they got hacked, as much as they minimized and lied about the extent of it.
- nsgf 10y agoSame here. Why aren't we more unforgiving about such lies? It is, after all, a commoditized service.
- falcolas 10y agoIn the current environment, I personally believe that it's safe to say that everybody has been hacked to some degree. Linode being open about it, even if not having the perfect response, strangely makes me feel better. Being a customer while this occurred and not feeling any impact makes me feel even better still. Having to go in and change my password is hardly an exceptional event on today's internet.
- nilved 10y agoThey were not open about it. When their ColdFusion system got hacked they didn't tell anyone until weeks after the fact. When you search for "linode hack," Google suggests "linode hacked again." They were hacked in 2012. They were hacked in 2013. They were hacked in 2014. They were hacked in 2016. They will be hacked in 2017.
- falcolas 10y ago> they didn't tell anyone until weeks after the fact. Unfortunately, this is fairly standard practice in the industry. Companies want to make sure the vulnerability is closed, positively identify what was compromised, who was affected, what legal liability exists, and so forth. Weeks is, frankly, pretty quick to go through that process. > There's not much more to say -- they are dead. Huh. Funny, I'm still hosting things there; their prices are competitive, there are no rumors of acquisition or shutdown... Seems quite alive to me. > They will be hacked in 2017. And, as I stated originally, I have no reason to think they will be unique in this.
- proyb2 10y agoWhy not 2GB Ram and 2 cores, easier for CPU demanding on a $10 plan?
- Phil_Latio 10y agoScaleway recently added new cloud servers. Example: 10 cores, 60GB RAM, 700GB SSD, 1Gbit/s Unmetered = 90€
- thedangler 10y agoAH! Linode! You used to have a $5/mo plan and you got rid of it. I found and switched to DO. I would have stuck with you but I only use it to mess about and 10$ was too steep. If you make it $5 Canadian I'll switch back.
- astrodust 10y agoIt's $5 USD, just like Digital Ocean. If Digital Ocean works for you there's no reason to switch back. They're equal cost now.
- inlineint 10y agoIt would be really fascinating if you added GPU instances with GTX 1080 cards. These cards could allow you to make the prices much lower than those of AWS GPU instances that use K-80 and make it a perfect fit for Deep Learning applications that don't require double precision.
- bluedino 10y agoWow, $5 finally. Must have gotten tired of DO and Vultr taking those customers
- dyu- 10y agoThanks to amazon lightsail we now have $5 linodes :-)
- astrodust 10y agoMaybe one day that ColdFusion atrocity of a control panel will be hurled into the sun and something better will take its place. Until then, yay, cheaper high-memory instances. Redis appreciates it.
- colept 10y agoColdFusion or not - Linode's hosting panel is one of the simplest and flexible management interface I've experienced. Digital Ocean's is too simple, and some other providers are too infuriating. Linode is that porridge that's just right.
- astrodust 10y ago> ...one of the simplest and flexible management interface I've experienced... Well, I'm really questioning what you've used then. It's atrocious. It's right up there with GoDaddy in terms of dashboards that are needlessly obnoxious. Digital Ocean's may be simple, but there's nothing wrong with that. It works. It's clear what it can and can't do. It's not cluttered up with confusion. For example, on Linode you cannot delete a Linode instance anywhere but the main view. You must go back to the main listing, carefully look for the one you want to remove, then click the remove link and double-check you clicked the right link. If you have a lot of instances and you cycle them over frequently enough this is a real hassle. Likewise, there's many occasions where you get kicked back to the index page for no reason. There's just so many unresolved little things that, over time, grate on you considerably. It works but it could be considerably better. It has not evolved much since launch, that's very concerning. Digital Ocean's interface, to use one example, has evolved considerably. Amazon's AWS dashboard may be a monstrosity but it's also becoming better and better organized over time. Linode needs to remember that their dashboard is important and invest in it. Maybe all you ever eat is porridge and you're okay with that. Fine. Other people demand some real food now and then.
- eatonphil 10y agoWe do think our dashboard is important, and we are investing in it. As a matter of fact, you can even watch the development take place yourself because the new manager is an open-source app. :) https://github.com/linode/manager https://github.com/linode/manager
- terrywang 10y agoSome feedback: I've been using DO droplets since mid 2013, reliability is excellent, no unexpected reboots at all. With the help of Ksplice the Ubuntu Server droplet has achieved 555 and 401 days uptime without downtime (could hang on a bit longer but later decided to reboot once every 3 months to address security concerns). DO support has been responsive and friendly, DO keeps (slowly) delivering new features such as private network, Load Balacer etc. For existing $5/m DO users, I don't think it's worth the hassle to migrate to Linode (or Amazon Lightsail), the performance difference will be unnoticeable for most people's use cases (personal web hosting, strongSwan based IPsec VPN, etc.). A good reference: https://joshtronic.com/2016/12/01/ten-dollar-showdown-linode-vs-digitalocean-vs-lightsail/ https://joshtronic.com/2016/12/01/ten-dollar-showdown-linode... Will provide the feedback to DO and see if they can match the Linode offer (I am sure they will do something).
- mrinterweb 10y agoI've been using Linode for many years, long before DO was around. Very happy with Linode. I tried DO, but I didn't see them making a compelling enough reason for me to switch over. Linode has a strong track record. I enjoyed that link to the $10 showdown. Linode's VPSs usually preform quite well. It did take Linode a while to get into the SSD game, but when they did, they got the IO right.
- joshtronic 10y agoAppreciate the link, I have a $5 review up as well now :) Since my posts are straight benchmarks, I don't touch on the support side of things typically (mostly because I only have had support interaction with the companies I use). That said, I've had exceptional support from both Linode and DigitalOcean over the years. Always responsive and friendly. Interestingly enough though, yesterday my Linode went down due to a power outage in the Atlanta data center. I'm a huge fan of Linode, but something like a power outage at this stage in the game seems a bit like amateur hour.