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Don't agree! I'd blame the democrats alone (the party, leadership, delegates, superdelegates and a section of voters + liar media) for giving away the pres

Don't agree! I'd blame the democrats alone (the party, leadership, delegates, superdelegates and a section of voters + ~~liar~~ media) for giving away the presidency to Trump. For free, literally. How is Peter Thiel or anyone else (Trump's supporters) responsible for what comes out of the man's mouth when at the same time the other party is clearly doing what's downright corruption/stifling a democratic nomination? ICYMI, Peter Thiel did mention that he'd have preferred a race between Sanders and Trump instead (watch his interview to the press club) -- where he quotes: "because they get it" -- and that Trump gets the big things right even though his behavior isn't acceptable. I don't see any reason for YC or any other organization to follow through with your advice. It is also mind numbing that a portion of democrats who made a joke of Trump when he said "he will accept the results only if he wins" are unable to accept the result of the election themselves. Move on folks, open your ears and do your job. On downvotes: I'm pretty sure downvoting over here is symptomatic behavior of a community that doesn't like to listen. Thank you for proving the point. I am happy that Trump is leading us and he is the elected premier for this country despite his weaknesses.

user837387 10y ago
>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame the people who voted for Trump for making him President. After all, we are all adults here, and although Trump never accepts any responsibility for his actions I think that the Trump supporters accept that they voted for him. So yeah, blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote again in 4 years if the Dems run yet another establishment candidate, learn your lesson already). Your chance for your opinion to matter was when the primaries took place. Don't save your outrage for after it doesn't go the way you wanted.
  - roywiggins 10y ago
    More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.
    - toomuchtodo 10y ago
      Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.
      - fatbird 10y ago
        Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
      - phlakaton 10y ago
        Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.
      - 10y ago
- xiaoma 10y ago
  If you voted for her in the primary, then I actually do blame you. You picked just about the only Democrat Trump had a hope of beating.
- mc32 10y ago
  So people from Brigade[1] say that among the electorate which used their app, 95% of Republicans pledged to vote Republican, among the Democrats only 55% pledged to vote for Hillary. So... who was it again who helped Trump win? [1]http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-states-when-polls-didnt http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-...
- rorykoehler 10y ago
  >>blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron. Not really. The dems sabotaged their only electable candidate. I'm not upset about the Trump presidency only because I had come to terms with it as soon as I realised Hillary was going to screw over Bernie and basically guarantee a Trump presidency. Never before has an 'I told so' felt so unsatisfactory. Besides I'm not even sure a Hillary presidency would have been more palatable given her track record.
FireBeyond 10y ago
"and that Trump gets the big things right even though his behavior isn't acceptable" It wasn't that unacceptable if he gave him a million dollars and is now working for him.

Don't agree! I'd blame the democrats alone (the party, leadership, delegates, superdelegates and a section of voters + ~~liar~~ media) for giving away the pres

user837387 10y ago

>>blame the democrats Don't blame me for Trump. I voted for Hillary. Each of us are responsible for their own vote. Nobody made you vote for Trump. I blame the people who voted for Trump for making him President. After all, we are all adults here, and although Trump never accepts any responsibility for his actions I think that the Trump supporters accept that they voted for him. So yeah, blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Clinton and her machine threw the only candidate who could beat Trump under the bus. She deserves her loss, and should apologize to the American people for prioritizing her selfish ambition over the good of the country. Hopefully the Democrats learn about running someone electable before 2018. I have already prepared my donation fund for Bernie Sanders' or Tulsi Gabbard's 2020 presidential race (and I'll not vote again in 4 years if the Dems run yet another establishment candidate, learn your lesson already). Your chance for your opinion to matter was when the primaries took place. Don't save your outrage for after it doesn't go the way you wanted.
- roywiggins 10y ago
  More Democrats voted and caucused for her than for Bernie. I don't know where the notion that his nomination was stolen comes from other than maybe Trump himself.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    Independents, needed to win the general, were not permitted to participate in several major Democratic primaries. Those Independents did not go for Clinton (clearly). Nor did Millennials, who also sat out for Clinton. If you need people outside your party to vote for you, you don't restrict caucusing to just your party. Otherwise, you get the proverbial brick in the face. Must be a terrible legacy to lose to the person that makes up Trump in front of the entire world, that people said to themselves "Yes, he's a bigot, a xenophobe, a sexist; but he's not Clinton" as they voted. @fatbird: I'm unsure why we're still arguing about this. Clinton lost because she did not have enough support, period.
    - fatbird 10y ago
      Primary rules aren't decided on a case-by-case, election by election basis, and they're not a strategic tool for positioning oneself for the general campaign. They're an internal process that is supposed to be consistent and knowable beforehand--and the reason Obama was able to upset Hillary in 2008 was because his campaign bothered to learn the rules for all 50 primaries/caucuses, while hers didn't.
    - phlakaton 10y ago
      Independent here from California. I absolutely voted for Clinton over Sanders, and I assure you my conscience is clear about it.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    No it comes from Wikileaks, which showed emails with the DNC trying to damage Bernie.
    - 10y ago
xiaoma 10y ago
If you voted for her in the primary, then I actually do blame you. You picked just about the only Democrat Trump had a hope of beating.
mc32 10y ago
So people from Brigade[1] say that among the electorate which used their app, 95% of Republicans pledged to vote Republican, among the Democrats only 55% pledged to vote for Hillary. So... who was it again who helped Trump win? [1]http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-states-when-polls-didnt http://iowapublicradio.org/post/app-saw-trump-winning-swing-...
rorykoehler 10y ago
>>blaming the Democrats for the Trump presidency is an oxymoron. Not really. The dems sabotaged their only electable candidate. I'm not upset about the Trump presidency only because I had come to terms with it as soon as I realised Hillary was going to screw over Bernie and basically guarantee a Trump presidency. Never before has an 'I told so' felt so unsatisfactory. Besides I'm not even sure a Hillary presidency would have been more palatable given her track record.

FireBeyond 10y ago

"and that Trump gets the big things right even though his behavior isn't acceptable" It wasn't that unacceptable if he gave him a million dollars and is now working for him.