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Ask HN: Why does everyone bash Trump? Seriously

13 points by vsergiu 10y ago

I really don't understand what's wrong with people. It's crazy to see sites like this one popup https://escapethedonald.com/ . America voted, the majority want Trump as their leader, can't you all move on ? What's the worst that it will happen to you? Probably pay less in taxes, other than that life will continue as normal. I really doubt he can be worse than Bush or Obama.

i_feel_great 10y ago
Saying those things about Muslims, Mexicans and all the other dumb shit (you go Google it yourself) makes him worse than Bush or Obama. But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of State. It took Putin to come in and bomb the fuck out of ISIS to turn the tide of the war. Whatever you Americans will suffer under Trump is nothing compared to what those poor people suffered. You Americans should feel bad about Clinton, Trump and what your government has done, and will continue to do to the world.
- vsergiu 10y ago
  Just because he said some bad words doesn't make him worse than Obama and Bush. Let's wait and let the guy do his job and then we can comment based on his actions as president. But having people spamming the net with stupid stuff like moving out of the country is becoming ridiculous.
  - zimpenfish 10y ago
    Look at the GOP's policies. They have full control of the legislature and Trump is going to sign whatever Ryan et al pass across his desk. That's terrifying because they're going to bolster Citizens United and continue gutting the Voting Rights Act. They also get a free "however batshit" appointment to the Supreme Court (and potentially 3 more) which strengthens their bolstering and gutting. It'll be decades before the next 4 years is unravelled.
  - glenda 10y ago
    They aren't just bad words. How must it feel to be a child growing up in a country where the president has demonized you, your whole family and heritage? That must influence how a person sees themselves in the world. There will definitely be long lasting psychological consequences at minimum.
- moyta 10y ago
  I sure do feel bad about Trump, we brought this guy in named Obama and he just amped up Bush's drone wars, and continued many of his policies. All I want is a non-nanny state government who isn't picking fights with countries we have no business being in. Long term that kinda stuff is what caused the USSR to go broke. America needs a classic New Deal Democrat to focus on rebuilding our countries infrastructure, so our businesses can succeed. Not on restricting what people do with or to themselves when it has no effect on others.
- informatimago 10y ago
  It doesn't make him worse than Bush or Obama. It makes him more honest. I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?
  - foldr 10y ago
    Trump had a consistent record of telling lies during the campaign. He may have been honest about his racism but he was dishonest about a whole bunch of other things.
    - zimpenfish 10y ago
      He's been consistently lying about everything since the early 70s.
moyta 10y ago
The majority voted for Hillary, by 200,000 votes. Our electoral college system and the Democratic Party not controlling many states due to their own failings at state level politics is what is allowing Trump to win despite losing the popular vote. There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade ties with most foreign countries, etc. Hell, I'm afraid tariffs caused by the destruction of NAFTA will cause me to have to replace this Canadian software product with my own in short order, and I do not have $300k and skills in HIPPA to do so. Compliance after writing it will cost $40k a year! Tax wise I highly doubt my taxes will drop, if your making over 6 figures, it may be good for you (the more income you have, the more likely you will save $$$), but if you are a working stiff, expect the earned income tax credit and similar credits for the working poor to go away, and for more regressive taxes to replace lost revenue from the reduction in taxes for those that are very well off. Additionally, expect all federal transit funds to disappear. No highway repairs or expansions, no federal funds to build mass transit, no investment in any infrastructure besides the wall. Cities will slowly economically strangle themselves in traffic, with no pressure relief valve (grade separated mass transit). If anything, 10 million people skipped voting this election, and even if they had voted, half of people eligible to vote did not turn out to vote. If we Americans want a better government, we need to hit the streets and fight for a better country. I've been at one rally and one candlelight vigil already today, but I am not expecting much.
- vsergiu 10y ago
  Let's wait and see what will happen. I doubt anything crazy will happen. The mass majority of voters decided to go with Trump ... that means there are bigger problems among the common people.
  - moyta 10y ago
    Uhh, what are you smoking, Trump lost the popular vote by 200k votes. Republicans control the House & Senate, what I described above is a rosy version of what they have stated is going to occur. Transit funds are going away, likely faster than Bush got rid of them.
zimpenfish 10y ago
> What's the worst that it will happen to you? To most people on HN? Nothing. To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.
- informatimago 10y ago
  LGBTQ people are still either men or women, so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women. Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people? How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - foldr 10y ago
    >so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women. Not if the supreme court overturns the previous ruling on gay marriage.
    - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
      Trump said he's "NOT going to try to overturn it. The Supreme Court have already ruled, so let's leave it be."
      - foldr 10y ago
        It's not up to Trump. It's up to whichever conservative justices he may end up appointing to the supreme court.
- DefaultUserHN 10y ago
  >To black people? Losing the right to vote. What? What policy is this?
foldr 10y ago
>What's the worst that it will happen to you? I don't want to make this too personal, but I notice that in another post you were talking about how you have a site which is aiming to make it easier for Latinos to get jobs in tech. And by the way, it sucks that it got such a negative reaction, but HN is a very conservative forum. Trump's policies might not have an effect on you personally. (I'm aware that the majority of Latinos in the US are citizens or green card holders and don't have to worry about immigration rules, etc.) But I'm kind of baffled that you can't see why Latinos in general might have something to fear from a Trump presidency. If Trump means what he says, millions of Latinos are going to be deported, including family members of US citizens.
- moyta 10y ago
  It is very likely US citizens will be deported in the process, think about how many people it took to round up just 110,000 Japanese[1] during WW2 to put in concentration camps in the US, now think of it on the scale of tens of millions. What do we do with the millions that are undocumented but have no nationality? Where can we put them? Are they perchance actually US Citizens that have been in the US since we took over vast swaths of Mexico? [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
- muhammad11 10y ago
  Latinos who are US citizens have nothing to worry about YOU ARE RIGHT! Why do the ones that are here illegally have right not to be threatened? They are breaking the law and hurting our citizens. We have to draw the line somewhere. The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate, they are just tired of being taken advantage of
  - foldr 10y ago
    Unless they have parents or other relatives who aren't officially allowed to be here. There are a lot of people in that situation. Deporting everyone who's in violation of immigration rules would involve splitting up an enormous number of families, and gut whole sections of the economy. > The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate, But it's not Trump supporters who are now running the country. It's Donald Trump. It doesn't matter how nice you are if you vote for a hateful candidate.
bjourne 10y ago
Because this is his position on global warming: "Well, I think the climate change is just a very, very expensive form of tax. A lot of people are making a lot of money. I know much about climate change. ... " "NBC News just called it the great freeze - coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?" "I don’t believe in climate change." "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." The world is much more fucked than it was previously. Because with the US out, there is no way we'll be able to reach a world-wide agreement to reduce CO2 emissions enough to not cause catastrophic climate change.
joeclark77 10y ago
Don't discourage them. This is the "see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women" phase. Let the victors enjoy it for a bit longer.
pcunite 10y ago
>> Why does everyone bash Trump? The media and vocal politically minded and linguistically astute people are bashing him. Take comfort in the quiet majority who are going back to work today and don't have time for throwing tantrums in the streets. The election outcome is based on how the Electoral Collage works. Had it been based on a pure turnout, more people would have voted. I think only 5M voted in California? That is a tiny representation. So, not everyone even cares. Just a few with soapboxes.
probinso 10y ago
He is the most public, easily trolled troll.
rwhitman 10y ago
You'll find out very soon.
DefaultUserHN 10y ago
So much misinformation about Trump. One of the reason why it's hard for people to understand the election result.

13 points by vsergiu 10y ago

i_feel_great 10y ago

Saying those things about Muslims, Mexicans and all the other dumb shit (you go Google it yourself) makes him worse than Bush or Obama. But not as bad as Clinton. Those vicious wars in the Middle East continued and got worse on her watch. In fact, according to the emails leaked by Wikileaks, she actively solicited payments from the Saudi and the Qatari government whilst she was representing the US as Secretary of State. It took Putin to come in and bomb the fuck out of ISIS to turn the tide of the war. Whatever you Americans will suffer under Trump is nothing compared to what those poor people suffered. You Americans should feel bad about Clinton, Trump and what your government has done, and will continue to do to the world.

vsergiu 10y ago
Just because he said some bad words doesn't make him worse than Obama and Bush. Let's wait and let the guy do his job and then we can comment based on his actions as president. But having people spamming the net with stupid stuff like moving out of the country is becoming ridiculous.
- zimpenfish 10y ago
  Look at the GOP's policies. They have full control of the legislature and Trump is going to sign whatever Ryan et al pass across his desk. That's terrifying because they're going to bolster Citizens United and continue gutting the Voting Rights Act. They also get a free "however batshit" appointment to the Supreme Court (and potentially 3 more) which strengthens their bolstering and gutting. It'll be decades before the next 4 years is unravelled.
- glenda 10y ago
  They aren't just bad words. How must it feel to be a child growing up in a country where the president has demonized you, your whole family and heritage? That must influence how a person sees themselves in the world. There will definitely be long lasting psychological consequences at minimum.
moyta 10y ago
I sure do feel bad about Trump, we brought this guy in named Obama and he just amped up Bush's drone wars, and continued many of his policies. All I want is a non-nanny state government who isn't picking fights with countries we have no business being in. Long term that kinda stuff is what caused the USSR to go broke. America needs a classic New Deal Democrat to focus on rebuilding our countries infrastructure, so our businesses can succeed. Not on restricting what people do with or to themselves when it has no effect on others.
informatimago 10y ago
It doesn't make him worse than Bush or Obama. It makes him more honest. I'd tend to think that people who express themselves outside of PC-talk, are actually better than those who learned to lie and hide their mischievous thoughts behind socially accepted PC-talk. The later consistenty do much worse things. You can always label bad things under "good" PC-words. How good is that?
- foldr 10y ago
  Trump had a consistent record of telling lies during the campaign. He may have been honest about his racism but he was dishonest about a whole bunch of other things.
  - zimpenfish 10y ago
    He's been consistently lying about everything since the early 70s.

moyta 10y ago

The majority voted for Hillary, by 200,000 votes. Our electoral college system and the Democratic Party not controlling many states due to their own failings at state level politics is what is allowing Trump to win despite losing the popular vote. There is a deep seated fear of what will happen under Trump, whether that be the banning of abortions, another bubble like under George W Bush, the destruction of trade ties with most foreign countries, etc. Hell, I'm afraid tariffs caused by the destruction of NAFTA will cause me to have to replace this Canadian software product with my own in short order, and I do not have $300k and skills in HIPPA to do so. Compliance after writing it will cost $40k a year! Tax wise I highly doubt my taxes will drop, if your making over 6 figures, it may be good for you (the more income you have, the more likely you will save $$$), but if you are a working stiff, expect the earned income tax credit and similar credits for the working poor to go away, and for more regressive taxes to replace lost revenue from the reduction in taxes for those that are very well off. Additionally, expect all federal transit funds to disappear. No highway repairs or expansions, no federal funds to build mass transit, no investment in any infrastructure besides the wall. Cities will slowly economically strangle themselves in traffic, with no pressure relief valve (grade separated mass transit). If anything, 10 million people skipped voting this election, and even if they had voted, half of people eligible to vote did not turn out to vote. If we Americans want a better government, we need to hit the streets and fight for a better country. I've been at one rally and one candlelight vigil already today, but I am not expecting much.

vsergiu 10y ago
Let's wait and see what will happen. I doubt anything crazy will happen. The mass majority of voters decided to go with Trump ... that means there are bigger problems among the common people.
- moyta 10y ago
  Uhh, what are you smoking, Trump lost the popular vote by 200k votes. Republicans control the House & Senate, what I described above is a rosy version of what they have stated is going to occur. Transit funds are going away, likely faster than Bush got rid of them.

zimpenfish 10y ago

> What's the worst that it will happen to you? To most people on HN? Nothing. To women? Losing agency over their bodies. To black people? Losing the right to vote. To LGBTQ people? Losing a lot of rights. etc.etc.

informatimago 10y ago
LGBTQ people are still either men or women, so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women. Do you mean that because they label themselves LGBTQ they have MORE rights than "normal" people? How shameful of them of having and keeping more rights! They should be the first to be wanting to relinquish them!
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- foldr 10y ago
  >so they are always entitled to their rights as men or as women. Not if the supreme court overturns the previous ruling on gay marriage.
  - DefaultUserHN 10y ago
    Trump said he's "NOT going to try to overturn it. The Supreme Court have already ruled, so let's leave it be."
    - foldr 10y ago
      It's not up to Trump. It's up to whichever conservative justices he may end up appointing to the supreme court.
DefaultUserHN 10y ago
>To black people? Losing the right to vote. What? What policy is this?

foldr 10y ago

>What's the worst that it will happen to you? I don't want to make this too personal, but I notice that in another post you were talking about how you have a site which is aiming to make it easier for Latinos to get jobs in tech. And by the way, it sucks that it got such a negative reaction, but HN is a very conservative forum. Trump's policies might not have an effect on you personally. (I'm aware that the majority of Latinos in the US are citizens or green card holders and don't have to worry about immigration rules, etc.) But I'm kind of baffled that you can't see why Latinos in general might have something to fear from a Trump presidency. If Trump means what he says, millions of Latinos are going to be deported, including family members of US citizens.

moyta 10y ago
It is very likely US citizens will be deported in the process, think about how many people it took to round up just 110,000 Japanese[1] during WW2 to put in concentration camps in the US, now think of it on the scale of tens of millions. What do we do with the millions that are undocumented but have no nationality? Where can we put them? Are they perchance actually US Citizens that have been in the US since we took over vast swaths of Mexico? [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
muhammad11 10y ago
Latinos who are US citizens have nothing to worry about YOU ARE RIGHT! Why do the ones that are here illegally have right not to be threatened? They are breaking the law and hurting our citizens. We have to draw the line somewhere. The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate, they are just tired of being taken advantage of
- foldr 10y ago
  Unless they have parents or other relatives who aren't officially allowed to be here. There are a lot of people in that situation. Deporting everyone who's in violation of immigration rules would involve splitting up an enormous number of families, and gut whole sections of the economy. > The majority of Trump supporters are not full of hate, But it's not Trump supporters who are now running the country. It's Donald Trump. It doesn't matter how nice you are if you vote for a hateful candidate.

bjourne 10y ago

Because this is his position on global warming: "Well, I think the climate change is just a very, very expensive form of tax. A lot of people are making a lot of money. I know much about climate change. ... " "NBC News just called it the great freeze - coldest weather in years. Is our country still spending money on the GLOBAL WARMING HOAX?" "I don’t believe in climate change." "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." The world is much more fucked than it was previously. Because with the US out, there is no way we'll be able to reach a world-wide agreement to reduce CO2 emissions enough to not cause catastrophic climate change.

joeclark77 10y ago

Don't discourage them. This is the "see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women" phase. Let the victors enjoy it for a bit longer.

pcunite 10y ago

>> Why does everyone bash Trump? The media and vocal politically minded and linguistically astute people are bashing him. Take comfort in the quiet majority who are going back to work today and don't have time for throwing tantrums in the streets. The election outcome is based on how the Electoral Collage works. Had it been based on a pure turnout, more people would have voted. I think only 5M voted in California? That is a tiny representation. So, not everyone even cares. Just a few with soapboxes.

probinso 10y ago

He is the most public, easily trolled troll.

rwhitman 10y ago

You'll find out very soon.

DefaultUserHN 10y ago

So much misinformation about Trump. One of the reason why it's hard for people to understand the election result.