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Any data to back that up? I've lived all my live in Amsterdam and this is the first time I've heard of this. It sounds made up.

mcv 10y ago
I notice that most of the people who disagree live in Amsterdam. Maybe it's different in other cities. Or in more rural areas.
- dep_b 10y ago
  Those groups are a big trend in places with more tight-knit communities. Amsterdam is quite individualistic and in some ways the city got cleaned up quite a bit compared to the 80s when it was full of heroin junkies. I think the free heroin plan is one of the best things ever. In rural areas people experience more crime than before and the police is not that willing to solve cases.
- akvadrako 10y ago
  Most Dutch people I've met consider Amsterdam to be one of the most dangerous places in the country and prefer to raise kids in more suburban setting. The statistics do say a few other cities are more dangerous, but overall Amsterdam is representative.
  - mcv 10y ago
    I can't think of a better place to raise my kids than Amsterdam, actually. Much better than the dreary suburban town I grew up in.
cyphax 10y ago
This might give some insight as to where the 40% comes from (the image shows numbers up to 40%, interestingly) but it's an aggregate number, not violent crimes per se (it's in Dutch but the infographic is about the numbers anyway): https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/03/24/een-kaart-om-misdaad-te-snappen-1601239-a890367 https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/03/24/een-kaart-om-misdaad-te... (I'm assuming that you were referring to the percentage given when you asked for data to back "that" up :)
dep_b 10y ago
https://decorrespondent.nl/2038/opheldering-verzocht-acht-op-de-tien-misdrijven-in-nederland-wordt-nooit-opgelost/278856112084-474d5e9e https://decorrespondent.nl/2038/opheldering-verzocht-acht-op... > We blijven nog even in Münster en Utrecht. Vooral bij geweldscriminaliteit is het contrast pijnlijk: een Nederlandse opheldering van 37 procent tegen een Duitse van 82 procent. "A bit more about Münster and Utrecht (1). The contrast is especially painful when we compare violent crimes: the Dutch solve 37% while the Germans solve 82%" Explain that to somebody that got beat up in the streets after a night out for no reason at all. That the police is not doing anything at all to solve it. 1) two cities that are roughly the same size and demographic, so more comparable
- kriro 10y ago
  Just a small/random additional tidbit...I'd guess that Münster is probably one of the cities in Germany with the most interest in good police work from a PR point of view because the German police university (Deutsche Hochschule der Polizei) is located there :)
  - dep_b 10y ago
    Because it's a student city like Utrecht ;)

mcv 10y ago

I notice that most of the people who disagree live in Amsterdam. Maybe it's different in other cities. Or in more rural areas.

dep_b 10y ago
Those groups are a big trend in places with more tight-knit communities. Amsterdam is quite individualistic and in some ways the city got cleaned up quite a bit compared to the 80s when it was full of heroin junkies. I think the free heroin plan is one of the best things ever. In rural areas people experience more crime than before and the police is not that willing to solve cases.
akvadrako 10y ago
Most Dutch people I've met consider Amsterdam to be one of the most dangerous places in the country and prefer to raise kids in more suburban setting. The statistics do say a few other cities are more dangerous, but overall Amsterdam is representative.
- mcv 10y ago
  I can't think of a better place to raise my kids than Amsterdam, actually. Much better than the dreary suburban town I grew up in.

cyphax 10y ago

This might give some insight as to where the 40% comes from (the image shows numbers up to 40%, interestingly) but it's an aggregate number, not violent crimes per se (it's in Dutch but the infographic is about the numbers anyway): https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/03/24/een-kaart-om-misdaad-te-snappen-1601239-a890367 https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2016/03/24/een-kaart-om-misdaad-te... (I'm assuming that you were referring to the percentage given when you asked for data to back "that" up :)

dep_b 10y ago

https://decorrespondent.nl/2038/opheldering-verzocht-acht-op-de-tien-misdrijven-in-nederland-wordt-nooit-opgelost/278856112084-474d5e9e https://decorrespondent.nl/2038/opheldering-verzocht-acht-op... > We blijven nog even in Münster en Utrecht. Vooral bij geweldscriminaliteit is het contrast pijnlijk: een Nederlandse opheldering van 37 procent tegen een Duitse van 82 procent. "A bit more about Münster and Utrecht (1). The contrast is especially painful when we compare violent crimes: the Dutch solve 37% while the Germans solve 82%" Explain that to somebody that got beat up in the streets after a night out for no reason at all. That the police is not doing anything at all to solve it. 1) two cities that are roughly the same size and demographic, so more comparable

kriro 10y ago
Just a small/random additional tidbit...I'd guess that Münster is probably one of the cities in Germany with the most interest in good police work from a PR point of view because the German police university (Deutsche Hochschule der Polizei) is located there :)
- dep_b 10y ago
  Because it's a student city like Utrecht ;)