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Do we have any statistics on percentage of vape users quitting analog smoking vs. recreational/teen experimental usage? If there are strong recreational vape tr

by ythl 10y ago

Do we have any statistics on percentage of vape users quitting analog smoking vs. recreational/teen experimental usage? If there are strong recreational vape trends in youth I can see why anti-vape ads might be a thing.

neotek 10y ago
Teens already experiment with smoking actual cigarettes, all vaping does is provide them with an alternative to experiment with that is far safer and less addicting than tobacco.
- ythl 10y ago
  That's not a good enough reason to not have anti-vape commercials. Just because it's "less bad" than analog cigarettes doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out about their negative effects.
  - neotek 10y ago
    Nor does it mean we should arbitrarily ban or restrict them to satisfy the whims of people who haven't looked at the evidence.
    - acedinlowball 10y ago
      Nor should we assume that people who disagree with us "haven't looked at the evidence"
      - EdHominem 10y ago
        We should, when they don't present their reasoning. Or when we know they're being financially influenced by "Big Tobacco". Tobacco laws are being driven by religious puritans who hate the idea that someone is enjoying a drug. To them, that's cheating at life by being happy before judgement day. They'll grasp at any straw to advance their agenda of control, even if it means cooperating with "scientists" from tobacco companies. We should immediately reject all governmental proposals that aren't backed up by rigorous science. Not only would this stop a ton of abuse, but we'd save a fortune in tax money that could then be spent on initiatives that actually save lives.
- frakr 10y ago
  It also provides a cotton candy flavored gateway into an addictive habit.
  - sophacles 10y ago
    Do you also favor coffee demonization commercials being started? Anti-cola campaigns? etc?
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      Which addictive toxic drug are you suggesting coffee is a candy-flavored gateway to?
      - neotek 10y ago
        Which toxic drug are you suggesting is present in eliquid? You can't be talking about nicotine, since that's no more toxic than caffeine and is not carcinogenic.
        brokenmachine 10y ago
        frakr was implying that the ecigs are a gateway drug to cigarettes. Hardcore coffee addicts don't usually end up smoking coffee with 4000 other random addictive chemicals mixed in. And wrt your question, who knows what other chemicals are in ecig juice, as the ingredients seem to be completely unregulated.
        neotek 10y ago
        Apologies for misunderstanding your comment, however I would add that vapers don't usually end up smoking, the flow is in the other direction. I'd recommend reading the Smoking Still Kills report for more information: http://ash.org.uk/information-and-resources/reports-submissions/reports/smoking-still-kills/ http://ash.org.uk/information-and-resources/reports-submissi...
        10y ago
- ythl 10y ago
  http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-teens-vaping-smoking-20161108-story.html http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-teens-va...

by ythl 10y ago

neotek 10y ago

Teens already experiment with smoking actual cigarettes, all vaping does is provide them with an alternative to experiment with that is far safer and less addicting than tobacco.

ythl 10y ago
That's not a good enough reason to not have anti-vape commercials. Just because it's "less bad" than analog cigarettes doesn't mean we shouldn't speak out about their negative effects.
- neotek 10y ago
  Nor does it mean we should arbitrarily ban or restrict them to satisfy the whims of people who haven't looked at the evidence.
  - acedinlowball 10y ago
    Nor should we assume that people who disagree with us "haven't looked at the evidence"
    - EdHominem 10y ago
      We should, when they don't present their reasoning. Or when we know they're being financially influenced by "Big Tobacco". Tobacco laws are being driven by religious puritans who hate the idea that someone is enjoying a drug. To them, that's cheating at life by being happy before judgement day. They'll grasp at any straw to advance their agenda of control, even if it means cooperating with "scientists" from tobacco companies. We should immediately reject all governmental proposals that aren't backed up by rigorous science. Not only would this stop a ton of abuse, but we'd save a fortune in tax money that could then be spent on initiatives that actually save lives.
frakr 10y ago
It also provides a cotton candy flavored gateway into an addictive habit.
- sophacles 10y ago
  Do you also favor coffee demonization commercials being started? Anti-cola campaigns? etc?
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    Which addictive toxic drug are you suggesting coffee is a candy-flavored gateway to?
    - neotek 10y ago
      Which toxic drug are you suggesting is present in eliquid? You can't be talking about nicotine, since that's no more toxic than caffeine and is not carcinogenic.
      - brokenmachine 10y ago
        frakr was implying that the ecigs are a gateway drug to cigarettes. Hardcore coffee addicts don't usually end up smoking coffee with 4000 other random addictive chemicals mixed in. And wrt your question, who knows what other chemicals are in ecig juice, as the ingredients seem to be completely unregulated.
        neotek 10y ago
        Apologies for misunderstanding your comment, however I would add that vapers don't usually end up smoking, the flow is in the other direction. I'd recommend reading the Smoking Still Kills report for more information: http://ash.org.uk/information-and-resources/reports-submissions/reports/smoking-still-kills/ http://ash.org.uk/information-and-resources/reports-submissi...
        10y ago
ythl 10y ago
http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-teens-vaping-smoking-20161108-story.html http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-teens-va...