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I wonder what his thoughts are about Trump nonconsensually groping women? A libertarian could not support such violence/coercion. [Edit: wow, off-topic?]

notthemessiah 10y ago
Thiel thinks the world would be better if women couldn't vote. "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." Basically, women don't vote for libertarian economic policies, and make it impossible to have a capitalist democracy, so he wants to get rid of democracy. Source: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...
- droopyEyelids 10y ago
  You're getting downvotes here, but Tiel wrote his own manifesto, published it, and there isn't any ambiguity in what he wrote. He believes enfranchising women and "welfare beneficaries" was incompatible with his view of a well-run government, but it is now impractical to take the vote away from them. https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... You also did a terrific job as summarizing his idea of 'freedom' as the freedom a of a feudal lord to do as he pleases.
tenpies 10y ago
I haven't kept up, but have any of the accusations been proven yet? Last I checked they were all allegations.
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  There are many accusations that Trump engaged in the behavior he voluntarily described himself behaving in. I don't think that matters though. He is already on the record encouraging (and bragging about) coercion; it is completely antithetical to libertarianism.
- mikeash 10y ago
  There's a video of him saying he does it. That might not be enough to convict him in court, by personally I don't see why I shouldn't take him at his word on that.
- Frondo 10y ago
  When just two people are in the room, you won't find it possible to "prove" anything. But there is, of course, no reason to doubt the honesty of the women involved. Why wouldn't you trust them?
  - jsprogrammer 10y ago
    Because Donald Trump seems to call the accusations "completely fabricated". Why wouldn't you trust Donald Trump?
    - Frondo 10y ago
      I don't trust him because of his repeated bragging statements about dishonest business practices and his habitual lying about things he's said in the past (e.g. recorded statement of him saying something, his future claim he never said it, etc)
  - zo1 10y ago
    I could think of at least four possible reasons to doubt their accusations. Some of which wouldn't sit well with people. 1. The accusers are being blackmailed into doing it. 2. Or they are being bribed by people wanting to influence the election. 3. Or they want to be famous. 4. Or they have a personal vendetta against Donald Trump. There is a reason we have courts, trials and burdens of proof. And the convenient timing of some of these accusations doesn't help, either.
    - Frondo 10y ago
      Can you prove they are being blackmailed, bribed, want to be famous (several already are, of course, for their own careers and lives), or have a personal vendetta? I mean, on the one hand, you have a lot of women who tell the same sort of story, and I trust people until I have an actual (not hypothetical) reason to assume they're lying. On the other hand, you have the guy who brags about dishonest business practices and lies (and this is all on video) about his past statements. Trump has given me lots of reasons not to trust him. Starting now to trust him, because women are involved, that doesn't make sense to me.
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sctb 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12718512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12718512 and marked it off-topic.
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  Typical mod treatment. Can't even put up an argument.

notthemessiah 10y ago

Thiel thinks the world would be better if women couldn't vote. "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." Basically, women don't vote for libertarian economic policies, and make it impossible to have a capitalist democracy, so he wants to get rid of democracy. Source: https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...

droopyEyelids 10y ago
You're getting downvotes here, but Tiel wrote his own manifesto, published it, and there isn't any ambiguity in what he wrote. He believes enfranchising women and "welfare beneficaries" was incompatible with his view of a well-run government, but it is now impractical to take the vote away from them. https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio... You also did a terrific job as summarizing his idea of 'freedom' as the freedom a of a feudal lord to do as he pleases.

tenpies 10y ago

I haven't kept up, but have any of the accusations been proven yet? Last I checked they were all allegations.

jsprogrammer 10y ago
There are many accusations that Trump engaged in the behavior he voluntarily described himself behaving in. I don't think that matters though. He is already on the record encouraging (and bragging about) coercion; it is completely antithetical to libertarianism.
mikeash 10y ago
There's a video of him saying he does it. That might not be enough to convict him in court, by personally I don't see why I shouldn't take him at his word on that.
Frondo 10y ago
When just two people are in the room, you won't find it possible to "prove" anything. But there is, of course, no reason to doubt the honesty of the women involved. Why wouldn't you trust them?
- jsprogrammer 10y ago
  Because Donald Trump seems to call the accusations "completely fabricated". Why wouldn't you trust Donald Trump?
  - Frondo 10y ago
    I don't trust him because of his repeated bragging statements about dishonest business practices and his habitual lying about things he's said in the past (e.g. recorded statement of him saying something, his future claim he never said it, etc)
- zo1 10y ago
  I could think of at least four possible reasons to doubt their accusations. Some of which wouldn't sit well with people. 1. The accusers are being blackmailed into doing it. 2. Or they are being bribed by people wanting to influence the election. 3. Or they want to be famous. 4. Or they have a personal vendetta against Donald Trump. There is a reason we have courts, trials and burdens of proof. And the convenient timing of some of these accusations doesn't help, either.
  - Frondo 10y ago
    Can you prove they are being blackmailed, bribed, want to be famous (several already are, of course, for their own careers and lives), or have a personal vendetta? I mean, on the one hand, you have a lot of women who tell the same sort of story, and I trust people until I have an actual (not hypothetical) reason to assume they're lying. On the other hand, you have the guy who brags about dishonest business practices and lies (and this is all on video) about his past statements. Trump has given me lots of reasons not to trust him. Starting now to trust him, because women are involved, that doesn't make sense to me.

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sctb 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12718512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12718512 and marked it off-topic.

jsprogrammer 10y ago
Typical mod treatment. Can't even put up an argument.