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The name gives it away. The pro edition is for professionals.

hiram112 10y ago
It absolutely is not. It is for 'consumers' that do not have the clout to refuse the Androidization of their PC. Take a spin through group policy and you'll notice that many of the hated features of Win 10 can not be modified on pro and home.
- cm2187 10y ago
  That they do that to the home version I can understand. But they treat the pro version as a consumer version, ie with telemetry, adware & co. It has become only a "pro" version in name. I am an individual, I don't have access to Windows Enterprise. It is very weird that Microsoft won't even take my money. If they make pro a spyware/adware filled locked down OS, at least they should make enterprise available, for a small premium, to the customers who wish to opt out.
  - Zelmor 10y ago
    This correlates with their long term goals of making the OS a SaaS, with paid services (like making HyperV available) and pay-or-get-ads for the home and pro versions. Having access to Enterprise, people would simply upgrade to that to avoid subscription fees. Obviously, I cannot refer to my sources, else people would lose their jobs and more.
    - cm2187 10y ago
      You mean a subscription based model? What will happen when people stop paying, they brick the device? If their idea that what customers are really after is a OS filled with ads, they are running into a wall with both feet on the accelerator.
      - tdkl 10y ago
        > What will happen when people stop paying They'll utilize Windows Update.
      - KirinDave 10y ago
        I use the tools daily and the number of "invasive ads" is commensurate with what I saw in OSX. And I'd use Linux for my desktop OS if it was at all suited to running on modern laptop hardware with: 1. Good battery life. Within 5% of what the targetted OS can deliver. 2. Good external display support (at least as good as windows, you plug it in and your projector/external monitor/video capture device works). 3. Good support for the common high density displays that laptops bundle now. 4. Without substantial configuration effort and the promise that my computer will NEVER brick its own update mechanism because it can't be bothered to sweep year old kernel images. And having just tried AGAIN (again again again again x10) to get a Linux laptop working on 2 year old hardware *marketed as designed for linux, it failed. I don't really care what excuses everyone offers. These are entirely reasonable requests and for most hardware, no desktop Linux will meet them without radically lowering your standards. So yeah, I have to pay more for a competent experience. Too bad the Linux world refuses to deliver a free one, but I suppose that's because it's lots of effort.
        cm2187 10y ago
        I completely share your frustration with linux on laptops, I ran into similar problems. And the breadth of distributions makes it very hard to find help without being a linux specialist. Which is also why I don't mind paying for Windows it itself. But I do not want an OS with ads and telemetry. And it is highly ironic that Microsoft is distributing "signature" hardware that was meant to be free from the adware and spyware that the PC makers were installing by default, only for the windows team to embed this adware and spyware in windows 10 itself.
        yuhong 10y ago
        It is not the same thing. A lot of the telemetry is via SQM for example.
    - TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
      You're suggesting you have inside information that this is, in fact, their roadmap. It wouldn't surprise me. And it makes me all the more willing to pay a premium for hardware which runs macOS, if it would make Apple NOT go down the same roads.
      - Zelmor 10y ago
        They will do away with the Windows 10 name in two-three year's time and just call it "Windows", it being their final operating system product. All iterations and patching can be done via their update services. At the same time, the OS will be made free-for-download, not just upgrade, since they have already made the bulk profits from sales. Focus will shift to spreading their base product, the OS, to everyone and live off of services they provide within their ecosystem. All products, enterprise and otherwise, will move towards a SaaS structure, where they will attempt to push pre-made packages onto customers big and small alike. Office 365 was the pilot.
    - yuhong 10y ago
      Mostly in response to declining PC sales right?
dman 10y ago
Want to use more than one monitor over remote desktop? That's not for professionals only for enterprise!

It absolutely is not. It is for 'consumers' that do not have the clout to refuse the Androidization of their PC. Take a spin through group policy and you'll notice that many of the hated features of Win 10 can not be modified on pro and home.

cm2187 10y ago
That they do that to the home version I can understand. But they treat the pro version as a consumer version, ie with telemetry, adware & co. It has become only a "pro" version in name. I am an individual, I don't have access to Windows Enterprise. It is very weird that Microsoft won't even take my money. If they make pro a spyware/adware filled locked down OS, at least they should make enterprise available, for a small premium, to the customers who wish to opt out.
- Zelmor 10y ago
  This correlates with their long term goals of making the OS a SaaS, with paid services (like making HyperV available) and pay-or-get-ads for the home and pro versions. Having access to Enterprise, people would simply upgrade to that to avoid subscription fees. Obviously, I cannot refer to my sources, else people would lose their jobs and more.
  - cm2187 10y ago
    You mean a subscription based model? What will happen when people stop paying, they brick the device? If their idea that what customers are really after is a OS filled with ads, they are running into a wall with both feet on the accelerator.
    - tdkl 10y ago
      > What will happen when people stop paying They'll utilize Windows Update.
    - KirinDave 10y ago
      I use the tools daily and the number of "invasive ads" is commensurate with what I saw in OSX. And I'd use Linux for my desktop OS if it was at all suited to running on modern laptop hardware with: 1. Good battery life. Within 5% of what the targetted OS can deliver. 2. Good external display support (at least as good as windows, you plug it in and your projector/external monitor/video capture device works). 3. Good support for the common high density displays that laptops bundle now. 4. Without substantial configuration effort and the promise that my computer will NEVER brick its own update mechanism because it can't be bothered to sweep year old kernel images. And having just tried AGAIN (again again again again x10) to get a Linux laptop working on 2 year old hardware *marketed as designed for linux, it failed. I don't really care what excuses everyone offers. These are entirely reasonable requests and for most hardware, no desktop Linux will meet them without radically lowering your standards. So yeah, I have to pay more for a competent experience. Too bad the Linux world refuses to deliver a free one, but I suppose that's because it's lots of effort.
      - cm2187 10y ago
        I completely share your frustration with linux on laptops, I ran into similar problems. And the breadth of distributions makes it very hard to find help without being a linux specialist. Which is also why I don't mind paying for Windows it itself. But I do not want an OS with ads and telemetry. And it is highly ironic that Microsoft is distributing "signature" hardware that was meant to be free from the adware and spyware that the PC makers were installing by default, only for the windows team to embed this adware and spyware in windows 10 itself.
        yuhong 10y ago
        It is not the same thing. A lot of the telemetry is via SQM for example.
  - TheRealDunkirk 10y ago
    You're suggesting you have inside information that this is, in fact, their roadmap. It wouldn't surprise me. And it makes me all the more willing to pay a premium for hardware which runs macOS, if it would make Apple NOT go down the same roads.
    - Zelmor 10y ago
      They will do away with the Windows 10 name in two-three year's time and just call it "Windows", it being their final operating system product. All iterations and patching can be done via their update services. At the same time, the OS will be made free-for-download, not just upgrade, since they have already made the bulk profits from sales. Focus will shift to spreading their base product, the OS, to everyone and live off of services they provide within their ecosystem. All products, enterprise and otherwise, will move towards a SaaS structure, where they will attempt to push pre-made packages onto customers big and small alike. Office 365 was the pilot.
  - yuhong 10y ago
    Mostly in response to declining PC sales right?

dman 10y ago

Want to use more than one monitor over remote desktop? That's not for professionals only for enterprise!