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Even with the ad blocker being a feature in opera out of the box? They were trying to show that opera can achieve better battery performance based on it's featu

by guroot 10y ago

Even with the ad blocker being a feature in opera out of the box? They were trying to show that opera can achieve better battery performance based on it's features and optimizations. Does that not include the ad-blocker?

bialpio 10y ago
In that case you might as well browse different websites because using adblocker makes your browser render different content.
- feld 10y ago
  Microsoft is welcome to include a native content blocker in their rendering engine
  - zeta0134 10y ago
    While I applaud their work and appreciate that there is an extension framework at all, I seriously doubt this will happen unless they plan to also redesign their home pages to remove the ads. I just loaded up MSN.com and scrolled down the page. I count 3 ads total: one gigantic banner at the very top of the page before all of the content, and two smaller panners that pop into place as you scroll. These are served by AdChoices. When I turn my ad blocker back on, these all disappear, and the site loads much faster. I think if Microsoft were to release a default ad-blocker, they would need to re-code their own website to use native advertising rather than a third-party network. I believe this to be an excellent practice, but I just don't see Microsoft going this route. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised though.
    - a1a 10y ago
      I assume they would implement a white-list allowing "some non-intrusive adds" similar to Adblock.
  - sbov 10y ago
    Sure, but then my browser with native procrastination protection will beat the pants off both: when you type in a url it just renders "get back to work, maggot." It even works without a network connection.
- zeta0134 10y ago
  Not necessarily true if both ad blockers are using the same filter lists. I find Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin (I prefer the latter) to be relatively on par in terms of things they block and things they tend to miss, even cross browser. I think the initial pageload would be the biggest differnce, as it relies on the performance of the adblocker in applying its filters to the DOM once it's loaded. The underlying extension framework probably affects this a lot too. I'd think the user agent string is more likely to cause a huge discrepancy, as many frameworks will be utilizing polyfills and employing different technologies depending on what each browser supports. (Or, in the case of the user agent string, what the framework thinks the browser supports, regardless of how correct its assumptions are.)
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    His point is that only one of the browsers was using an ad blocker so they were rendering different content because one rendered ads and the other did not.
    - zeta0134 10y ago
      Oh, I totally missed the part where Opera has the ad blocker turned on by default. Ignore my rambling then; my sleepy brain thought he was talking about two browsers that both had different ad blockers installed.
      - bialpio 10y ago
        Not sure if Opera has it on by default - all they say is that it is build-in so that somehow makes it okay to use it and compare apples to oranges :) If I understand both tests correctly, Opera ran with adblock and battery saver enabled (those are apparently not default settings), versus Edge without adblock, on sites which supposedly are ad-heavy - this will bias the results towards browser with adblock enabled.
        cptskippy 10y ago
        Exactly, it's like saying your bus with no passengers gets better gas mileage than your competitors bus with 60 passengers.
- LoSboccacc 10y ago
  yeah it's like comparing MPG of similar cars but Opera test is done in the middle of the night and competitors at rush hour
  - pbhjpbhj 10y ago
    Your analogy collapses then though because you need people to be able to choose whether to travel at day/night at will for the comparison. Perhaps a better (but still flawed) way would be to say if the Opera browser included a free pass for toll roads and Edge didn't - so with the standard Opera offering you'd be getting a faster journey. The point to me is that the situation is more nuanced than Microsoft apparently chose to present it.
    - bialpio 10y ago
      Well, when you are the person performing the test you can somewhat control the conditions. ;) Opera just chose to drive in the night but sent Edge through rush hour.
sp332 10y ago
It's not on by default though.
- bwat48 10y ago
  Their power saver isn't on by default either
overgryphon 10y ago
They could have turned on an ad blocker for Edge as well.
jlarocco 10y ago
Limiting the test to features built into the browser is pointless and doesn't represent real usage. People who turn on the Opera ad-blocker will install an ad-blocker in Chrome, Edge, or Firefox.

by guroot 10y ago

bialpio 10y ago

In that case you might as well browse different websites because using adblocker makes your browser render different content.

feld 10y ago
Microsoft is welcome to include a native content blocker in their rendering engine
- zeta0134 10y ago
  While I applaud their work and appreciate that there is an extension framework at all, I seriously doubt this will happen unless they plan to also redesign their home pages to remove the ads. I just loaded up MSN.com and scrolled down the page. I count 3 ads total: one gigantic banner at the very top of the page before all of the content, and two smaller panners that pop into place as you scroll. These are served by AdChoices. When I turn my ad blocker back on, these all disappear, and the site loads much faster. I think if Microsoft were to release a default ad-blocker, they would need to re-code their own website to use native advertising rather than a third-party network. I believe this to be an excellent practice, but I just don't see Microsoft going this route. I'd love to be pleasantly surprised though.
  - a1a 10y ago
    I assume they would implement a white-list allowing "some non-intrusive adds" similar to Adblock.
- sbov 10y ago
  Sure, but then my browser with native procrastination protection will beat the pants off both: when you type in a url it just renders "get back to work, maggot." It even works without a network connection.
zeta0134 10y ago
Not necessarily true if both ad blockers are using the same filter lists. I find Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin (I prefer the latter) to be relatively on par in terms of things they block and things they tend to miss, even cross browser. I think the initial pageload would be the biggest differnce, as it relies on the performance of the adblocker in applying its filters to the DOM once it's loaded. The underlying extension framework probably affects this a lot too. I'd think the user agent string is more likely to cause a huge discrepancy, as many frameworks will be utilizing polyfills and employing different technologies depending on what each browser supports. (Or, in the case of the user agent string, what the framework thinks the browser supports, regardless of how correct its assumptions are.)
- cptskippy 10y ago
  His point is that only one of the browsers was using an ad blocker so they were rendering different content because one rendered ads and the other did not.
  - zeta0134 10y ago
    Oh, I totally missed the part where Opera has the ad blocker turned on by default. Ignore my rambling then; my sleepy brain thought he was talking about two browsers that both had different ad blockers installed.
    - bialpio 10y ago
      Not sure if Opera has it on by default - all they say is that it is build-in so that somehow makes it okay to use it and compare apples to oranges :) If I understand both tests correctly, Opera ran with adblock and battery saver enabled (those are apparently not default settings), versus Edge without adblock, on sites which supposedly are ad-heavy - this will bias the results towards browser with adblock enabled.
      - cptskippy 10y ago
        Exactly, it's like saying your bus with no passengers gets better gas mileage than your competitors bus with 60 passengers.
LoSboccacc 10y ago
yeah it's like comparing MPG of similar cars but Opera test is done in the middle of the night and competitors at rush hour
- pbhjpbhj 10y ago
  Your analogy collapses then though because you need people to be able to choose whether to travel at day/night at will for the comparison. Perhaps a better (but still flawed) way would be to say if the Opera browser included a free pass for toll roads and Edge didn't - so with the standard Opera offering you'd be getting a faster journey. The point to me is that the situation is more nuanced than Microsoft apparently chose to present it.
  - bialpio 10y ago
    Well, when you are the person performing the test you can somewhat control the conditions. ;) Opera just chose to drive in the night but sent Edge through rush hour.

sp332 10y ago

It's not on by default though.

bwat48 10y ago
Their power saver isn't on by default either

overgryphon 10y ago

They could have turned on an ad blocker for Edge as well.

jlarocco 10y ago

Limiting the test to features built into the browser is pointless and doesn't represent real usage. People who turn on the Opera ad-blocker will install an ad-blocker in Chrome, Edge, or Firefox.