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Where's the redirect to some app store bullshit after 5 seconds? Never buying or using anything from those sleazeballs, and you should follow suit.

by noamsml 10y ago

smaili 10y ago
What's with the animosity? There seems to have been a lot of effort put into Defold, the least you could do is appreciate the fact it's been made available free of charge and royalties.
- JayHost 10y ago
  The Why are you releasing Defold free? section basically says because "You guys can work making our software better for us for free" Also you need a Google account to use it.
  - PhasmaFelis 10y ago
    I don't really wanna defend King.com, but I think you're being a bit uncharitable. They talk about the community "creating tutorials, by finding bugs, improving the documentation". It's just tautological that you'll get more bug reports the more users you have, and creating tutorials/refining documentation are particularly suited to crowdsourcing (as the designers are often too close to the application to understand what a newbie needs to know).
    - JayHost 10y ago
      "I don't really wanna defend King.com" Sure. I cherry picked the negative because of this. There are too many game engines that are made for special purpose studios (People who have experience with them) I think there are a lot better GPL'd engines people should use so the community benefits; not Candy Trademark king King.com Particularly Libgdx; Blender3d ; Godot Now that I think about it game engines are a bit like Linux Distros in that all the options possibly dilutes the greater purpose.
    - JayHost 10y ago
      "I don't really wanna defend King.com" Sure. I cherry picked the negative because of this. There are too many game engines that are made for special purpose studios (People who have experience with them) I think there are a lot better GPL'd engines people should use so the community benefits; not Candy Trademark king King.com Particularly Libgdx; Blender3d ; Godot Now that I think about it game engines are a bit like Linux Distros in that all the options possibly dilutes the greater purpose.
  - Kiro 10y ago
    And how is that a bad thing? You're missing the fact that people "testing" it are consumers, meaning any improvements will benefit them as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.
    - JayHost 10y ago
      Sure, I don't disagree. I just argue it's more like [Consumer] diluted Win-Win [King] I posted another response with more details of better (Subjective) GPL'd community friendly engines.
- boondaburrah 10y ago
  It's not free. The currency is your users' data. Currently, your projects can only be stored on King's servers, not even github. When you finally publish your game, it will automatically include analytics that phone home to King, not you.
  - simplify 10y ago
    Interesting, can you provide a link to the source code that supports your claim?
    - TranquilMarmot 10y ago
      Closest I could find to boondaburrah's claim was: http://www.defold.com/about-privacy/ http://www.defold.com/about-privacy/ "We provide data collection and statistics of your players, if you want it – In order to provide Player Analytics, we need to collect data on your Players such as how they play Games and what device they used. If you choose not to use Player Analytics, we won’t collect any data relating to Players (except for errors directly related to the Defold Engine). Please see our Privacy Policy for Players http://www.defold.com/about-player-privacy/ http://www.defold.com/about-player-privacy/ for more information about what Player data we collect and what we do with it."
      - boondaburrah 10y ago
        Interesting. There wasn't any way to turn it off when I last checked, but that was last year (during beta). Hopefully they'll allow you to get rid of it completely, but it still feels too much like my game would be tied up with King in some way, and I'd never want that.
        sicher 10y ago
        Currently you have to explicitly turn analytics on, so it it opt-in. (I work for Defold)
        10y ago

Where's the redirect to some app store bullshit after 5 seconds? Never buying or using anything from those sleazeballs, and you should follow suit.

by noamsml 10y ago

Where's the redirect to some app store bullshit after 5 seconds? Never buying or using anything from those sleazeballs, and you should follow suit.

smaili 10y ago

What's with the animosity? There seems to have been a lot of effort put into Defold, the least you could do is appreciate the fact it's been made available free of charge and royalties.

JayHost 10y ago
The Why are you releasing Defold free? section basically says because "You guys can work making our software better for us for free" Also you need a Google account to use it.
- PhasmaFelis 10y ago
  I don't really wanna defend King.com, but I think you're being a bit uncharitable. They talk about the community "creating tutorials, by finding bugs, improving the documentation". It's just tautological that you'll get more bug reports the more users you have, and creating tutorials/refining documentation are particularly suited to crowdsourcing (as the designers are often too close to the application to understand what a newbie needs to know).
  - JayHost 10y ago
    "I don't really wanna defend King.com" Sure. I cherry picked the negative because of this. There are too many game engines that are made for special purpose studios (People who have experience with them) I think there are a lot better GPL'd engines people should use so the community benefits; not Candy Trademark king King.com Particularly Libgdx; Blender3d ; Godot Now that I think about it game engines are a bit like Linux Distros in that all the options possibly dilutes the greater purpose.
  - JayHost 10y ago
    "I don't really wanna defend King.com" Sure. I cherry picked the negative because of this. There are too many game engines that are made for special purpose studios (People who have experience with them) I think there are a lot better GPL'd engines people should use so the community benefits; not Candy Trademark king King.com Particularly Libgdx; Blender3d ; Godot Now that I think about it game engines are a bit like Linux Distros in that all the options possibly dilutes the greater purpose.
- Kiro 10y ago
  And how is that a bad thing? You're missing the fact that people "testing" it are consumers, meaning any improvements will benefit them as well. Sounds like a win-win to me.
  - JayHost 10y ago
    Sure, I don't disagree. I just argue it's more like [Consumer] diluted Win-Win [King] I posted another response with more details of better (Subjective) GPL'd community friendly engines.
boondaburrah 10y ago
It's not free. The currency is your users' data. Currently, your projects can only be stored on King's servers, not even github. When you finally publish your game, it will automatically include analytics that phone home to King, not you.
- simplify 10y ago
  Interesting, can you provide a link to the source code that supports your claim?
  - TranquilMarmot 10y ago
    Closest I could find to boondaburrah's claim was: http://www.defold.com/about-privacy/ http://www.defold.com/about-privacy/ "We provide data collection and statistics of your players, if you want it – In order to provide Player Analytics, we need to collect data on your Players such as how they play Games and what device they used. If you choose not to use Player Analytics, we won’t collect any data relating to Players (except for errors directly related to the Defold Engine). Please see our Privacy Policy for Players http://www.defold.com/about-player-privacy/ http://www.defold.com/about-player-privacy/ for more information about what Player data we collect and what we do with it."
    - boondaburrah 10y ago
      Interesting. There wasn't any way to turn it off when I last checked, but that was last year (during beta). Hopefully they'll allow you to get rid of it completely, but it still feels too much like my game would be tied up with King in some way, and I'd never want that.
      - sicher 10y ago
        Currently you have to explicitly turn analytics on, so it it opt-in. (I work for Defold)
        10y ago