14 ms·

The thing is, when the gov goes crazy it is usually against some group of people. If you are not part of that group then you may actually believe the gov is qui

The thing is, when the gov goes crazy it is usually against some group of people. If you are not part of that group then you may actually believe the gov is quite sane. Also, all it takes is some really bad times for nice people to elect a tyrant. We've seen it before many times in history. Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy.

Loque 11y ago
I would argue that if Trump gets voted in, it is the people who are crazy. I do see your point though - I guess everything feels very nice and pedestrian here... nothing owning guns would solve anyway. I would also argue that all those xenophobic trump fans can legally own guns... After the last elections in the UK, I don't really trust the "general public" =D
- AI_Overlord 11y ago
  The US founders also did not trust the general population which is why the electoral college was used to elect the president. Being young I could not understand why when I first read about it. I understand now why, the masses can be quite stupid as demonstrated many times by history.
magicGLASSman 11y ago
I believed the negative hype about Trump till I actually listened to what he had to say in context. I don't agree with the guy on a lot, but the emotional reactions instead logical debate really need to stop >Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy. Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitations of fear created by endless news cycles of ad hominem attacks and half truths. Trumphobia is the irrational fear of Donald Trump created by media attacks on a candidate they can not control.
- AI_Overlord 11y ago
  -Calls most Mexicans rapists ands stands by it -tweets a statistic that most white people are killed by black people, never apologizes, refuses to backtrack -pretends he has no idea who white extremist groups or the kkk are when asked point blank whether he will disavow their support ... The list goes on and on
  - magicGLASSman 11y ago
    I'm not defending trump, I just don't see a place for emotional "-ist" words based on very selective framing of someones speech. we need to talk about illegal immigration and criminal activity. We need to talk about Black on Black violence not just police violence. Why should he know David Duke is? and he disavowed 15 times. I love the push back, that is what america is about having debates about important issues, not shouting down people who have different opinions.
    - FireBeyond 11y ago
      "David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK... would you disavow his support or that of his organization?" "I don't know who David Duke is, and as for any organization, well, I'd have to do further research before disavowing their support" The next day "Oh, of course I would. It was a bad earpiece they gave me, I told them it wasn't working well." Well enough that he heard the question just fine and was able to put together a coherent (if bad) answer. Nope, blame your earpiece. Some disavowal that was.
      - magicGLASSman 11y ago
        Ok.. you might not trust him saying he had a bad earpiece but he did disavow many times. I'm still not seeing the most evil man on the planet as many try to associate him with. Every argument is based on 90% emotion and a tiny bit of negatively framed fact.
    - krapp 11y ago
      >Why should he know David Duke is? Donald Trump knows perfectly well who David Duke is and what he stands for[0]. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...

Loque 11y ago

I would argue that if Trump gets voted in, it is the people who are crazy. I do see your point though - I guess everything feels very nice and pedestrian here... nothing owning guns would solve anyway. I would also argue that all those xenophobic trump fans can legally own guns... After the last elections in the UK, I don't really trust the "general public" =D

AI_Overlord 11y ago
The US founders also did not trust the general population which is why the electoral college was used to elect the president. Being young I could not understand why when I first read about it. I understand now why, the masses can be quite stupid as demonstrated many times by history.

magicGLASSman 11y ago

I believed the negative hype about Trump till I actually listened to what he had to say in context. I don't agree with the guy on a lot, but the emotional reactions instead logical debate really need to stop >Trump phenomenon fueled on xenophobia, racism, and authoritarianism, which is scary for minorities, is an example of a gov that could go crazy. Sentences like this are not arguments they are emotional regurgitations of fear created by endless news cycles of ad hominem attacks and half truths. Trumphobia is the irrational fear of Donald Trump created by media attacks on a candidate they can not control.

AI_Overlord 11y ago
-Calls most Mexicans rapists ands stands by it -tweets a statistic that most white people are killed by black people, never apologizes, refuses to backtrack -pretends he has no idea who white extremist groups or the kkk are when asked point blank whether he will disavow their support ... The list goes on and on
- magicGLASSman 11y ago
  I'm not defending trump, I just don't see a place for emotional "-ist" words based on very selective framing of someones speech. we need to talk about illegal immigration and criminal activity. We need to talk about Black on Black violence not just police violence. Why should he know David Duke is? and he disavowed 15 times. I love the push back, that is what america is about having debates about important issues, not shouting down people who have different opinions.
  - FireBeyond 11y ago
    "David Duke, former grand wizard of the KKK... would you disavow his support or that of his organization?" "I don't know who David Duke is, and as for any organization, well, I'd have to do further research before disavowing their support" The next day "Oh, of course I would. It was a bad earpiece they gave me, I told them it wasn't working well." Well enough that he heard the question just fine and was able to put together a coherent (if bad) answer. Nope, blame your earpiece. Some disavowal that was.
    - magicGLASSman 11y ago
      Ok.. you might not trust him saying he had a bad earpiece but he did disavow many times. I'm still not seeing the most evil man on the planet as many try to associate him with. Every argument is based on 90% emotion and a tiny bit of negatively framed fact.
  - krapp 11y ago
    >Why should he know David Duke is? Donald Trump knows perfectly well who David Duke is and what he stands for[0]. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/01/donald-trump-and-david-duke-for-the-record/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/03/...