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This is silly. Disabled people don't have any special rights, and should not expect any special accommodations, especially when those accommodations would cause
by AlgorithmicTime 11y ago
This is silly. Disabled people don't have any special rights, and should not expect any special accommodations, especially when those accommodations would cause excess environmental damage. You may as well complain that Mount McKinley isn't handicapped accessible.
- noir_lord 11y agoWhat a horrible worldview you have. Yes disabled people shouldn't have any special rights but they should have the same rights as everyone else, the right to live as functional life as possible, if that requires that the rest of society make some accommodations then that's fine by me. Any society is the sum of its parts, all its parts and should be judged on how it treats everyone able bodied and not.
- Chris2048 11y agoWhere is "the right to live as functional life as possible" an established right?
- tremon 11y agohttp://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/UDHRIndex.aspx http://www.ohchr.org/EN/UDHR/Pages/UDHRIndex.aspx
- AlgorithmicTime 11y agoOh, a non-binding, toothless, meaningless document issued by the UN. Seems legit.
- nkrisc 11y agoThough it would be a great display of poetic justice, I hope you never end up as a quadriplegic.
- dang 11y agoThe whole subthread is nasty, but this crosses into personal attack. Please don't do that here, regardless of how others are behaving.
- nkrisc 11y agoPerhaps I let my emotions get the better of me. It's this empathy-devoid hyper-libertarianism that drives me nuts.
- Chris2048 11y agoPlease don't characterise opinions that differ from yours as problematic behaviour..
- Chris2048 11y agoTo clarify, "Please don't make personal attacks here, even if they deserve it" is not a neutral comment.
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- Chris2048 11y agoYet again downvoted for questioning politically-charged fluff...
- AlgorithmicTime 11y agoYes, they do have the same rights as everyone else. They have the right to purchase oranges with the skin on and use the stairs. They have no room to expect additional accommodation for their problems.
- jareds 11y agoAs a totally blind software developer I'm sure glad the entire world isn't as closed minded as you. Based on your statements I shouldn't have gotten Braille books as a child because they require more paper, higher transportation costs, and there for are less environmentally friendly then print books. Without them I would be illiterate and unable to hold down a job. While not everything can be made accessible to everyone in a reasonable fashion refusing to put forth any effort even if it interferes slightly with your life is not acceptable either.
- shasta 11y agoI'm hoping that AlgorithmicTime is making a fine distinction about what is a "right", rather than suggesting the disabled shouldn't receive help.
- Chris2048 11y agoWhat obligations are there for publishers wrt braille books?
- mchaver 11y agoIt looks like the Library of Congress has an appropriation of funds to help produce braille books and provide them to public libraries. I'm not sure if this is the most up-to-date information though. https://www.loc.gov/nls/pl89522.html https://www.loc.gov/nls/pl89522.html
- ikeboy 11y ago>Yes disabled people shouldn't have any special rights but they should have the same rights as everyone else, the right to live as functional life as possible, if that requires that the rest of society make some accommodations then that's fine by me. This proves too much. If someone living a functional life requires, say $1 billion, then your argument says they have a right to it, while I expect the vast majority would disagree. I think the problem here is really the negative externality of waste. The proper response is to charge a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax, so the actual societal cost is passed on to the consumer. Then no one can complain that someone's wasting, because their cost perfectly cancels out the effect. Separately, we can subsidise the cost for people who can't afford it, but that's a different discussion from allowing wasteful products (that people are willing to pay for) to exist in the first place.
- runholm 11y agoIt's not "special rights". It's the same rights as everyone else. The special accommodations are there to allow disabled people to live their lives as normal as possible.
- AlgorithmicTime 11y agoThat's the definition of special rights. Giving them something normal people don't get.
- nkrisc 11y agoYou're right. Disabled people don't have special rights. It doesn't mean we can't choose to help them. After all, today it's them, tomorrow it's I.