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First Follower idea is all yours

swombat 17y ago
As posted on Sivers' blog: Yes, indeed, it is ours - I first heard it back in June 2009, on Seth Godin's blog. It got posted up on Hacker News too. Here's the seth post of the same video, making the same post (though he reckons guy #3 is more important than the first follower): http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html
- jackchristopher 17y ago
  I like Sivers' version because it was more thorough. But it's good to hear the same idea expressed by a new person in a new way. You need new iterations and personalities you trust to make things click. That's essential to them spreading.
  - 10ren 17y ago
    And where Seth observed, "We need more guy #3s," Sivers called you to action: "When you find a lone nut doing something great, have the guts to be the first person to stand up and join in.": http://sivers.org/ff http://sivers.org/ff
- adamsmith 17y ago
  Looks like Sivers is actually the 'first guy' and the one to bring it two the masses will be guy #3. : ) Guy #2 and #3 were definitely critical here. Both were needed, and in the same order. (Guy #3 didn't seem like he was willing to have been guy #2.)
- sivers 17y ago
  Just to be fair: Seth is a friend and I told him about it before he posted about it. I posted about it on June 6: http://sivers.org/dance-lessons http://sivers.org/dance-lessons Seth posted on June 10: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html Not being competitive. Just making it clear I wasn't copying Seth's idea.
  - swombat 17y ago
    Interesting! I wasn't aware of your previous post. Thanks for clarifying.
ww520 17y ago
I saw the dancing video before and it was hilarious, though that guy was dancing for a loonnng time before the first follower came along, and there were people came in on and off in between. He had to struggle for a while before it became a movement. But the First Follower idea is very insightful.
alecco 17y ago
You can see that right here. First few votes make a submission die or get to the front page. And then it's just momentum. IMHO, this is detrimental to quality and doesn't fend off bandwagon bias.
- jackchristopher 17y ago
  I was surprised at how fast the article came up, even with Sivers being HN gold. But I submitted it because I wanted to see how HN would expand on the topic of leading and following.
  - alecco 17y ago
    Oh, I mean HN in general, not this particular submission. I'm even subscribed to Siver's feed. =)
gcheong 17y ago
You mean be a leader of the first follower movement?
Tichy 17y ago
I think it is actually quite old. Seth Godin or somebody like that might have blogged about the dancing guy about a year ago? So definitely to late to become the "First Follower Guy". OK not too late - but where is the fun in taking somebodies meme?
silvio 17y ago
I think Sivers is trying to prove the point that his idea will only become a movement after the first follower joins him. Tricky.
- sivers 17y ago
  I'm not that subtle, no. It's really as-is. So many people telling me the idea should be developed into a book, but I don't want to, so I was just letting it publicly be known that the idea is up for grabs. Hoping to encourage someone who wants to run with it, knowing I won't compete.
forsaken 17y ago
It will be interesting how this maps to Open Source. Github has "followers" explicitly. In open source, is the "first contributer" more important? Lots of interesting intersections..
- skybrian 17y ago
  Absolutely! There are lots of one-person projects on Github; I have a few of my own. They already do what I want, but could be expanded to be useful to more people. Anyone who wants to dive in could make a big difference. The tricky bit is that I'm not really looking for one-person open source projects to contribute to, so how would I ever notice them? It seems like there's an opportunity here.
ThomPete 17y ago
It's a good story, Seth posted about it too a while back. The problem like with Gladwell's "Tipping Point" and "Blink" is that they sound actionable but aren't really.

As posted on Sivers' blog: Yes, indeed, it is ours - I first heard it back in June 2009, on Seth Godin's blog. It got posted up on Hacker News too. Here's the seth post of the same video, making the same post (though he reckons guy #3 is more important than the first follower): http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html

jackchristopher 17y ago
I like Sivers' version because it was more thorough. But it's good to hear the same idea expressed by a new person in a new way. You need new iterations and personalities you trust to make things click. That's essential to them spreading.
- 10ren 17y ago
  And where Seth observed, "We need more guy #3s," Sivers called you to action: "When you find a lone nut doing something great, have the guts to be the first person to stand up and join in.": http://sivers.org/ff http://sivers.org/ff
adamsmith 17y ago
Looks like Sivers is actually the 'first guy' and the one to bring it two the masses will be guy #3. : ) Guy #2 and #3 were definitely critical here. Both were needed, and in the same order. (Guy #3 didn't seem like he was willing to have been guy #2.)
sivers 17y ago
Just to be fair: Seth is a friend and I told him about it before he posted about it. I posted about it on June 6: http://sivers.org/dance-lessons http://sivers.org/dance-lessons Seth posted on June 10: http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/06/guy-3.html Not being competitive. Just making it clear I wasn't copying Seth's idea.
- swombat 17y ago
  Interesting! I wasn't aware of your previous post. Thanks for clarifying.

ww520 17y ago

I saw the dancing video before and it was hilarious, though that guy was dancing for a loonnng time before the first follower came along, and there were people came in on and off in between. He had to struggle for a while before it became a movement. But the First Follower idea is very insightful.

alecco 17y ago

You can see that right here. First few votes make a submission die or get to the front page. And then it's just momentum. IMHO, this is detrimental to quality and doesn't fend off bandwagon bias.

jackchristopher 17y ago
I was surprised at how fast the article came up, even with Sivers being HN gold. But I submitted it because I wanted to see how HN would expand on the topic of leading and following.
- alecco 17y ago
  Oh, I mean HN in general, not this particular submission. I'm even subscribed to Siver's feed. =)

gcheong 17y ago

You mean be a leader of the first follower movement?

Tichy 17y ago

I think it is actually quite old. Seth Godin or somebody like that might have blogged about the dancing guy about a year ago? So definitely to late to become the "First Follower Guy". OK not too late - but where is the fun in taking somebodies meme?

silvio 17y ago

I think Sivers is trying to prove the point that his idea will only become a movement after the first follower joins him. Tricky.

sivers 17y ago
I'm not that subtle, no. It's really as-is. So many people telling me the idea should be developed into a book, but I don't want to, so I was just letting it publicly be known that the idea is up for grabs. Hoping to encourage someone who wants to run with it, knowing I won't compete.

forsaken 17y ago

It will be interesting how this maps to Open Source. Github has "followers" explicitly. In open source, is the "first contributer" more important? Lots of interesting intersections..

skybrian 17y ago
Absolutely! There are lots of one-person projects on Github; I have a few of my own. They already do what I want, but could be expanded to be useful to more people. Anyone who wants to dive in could make a big difference. The tricky bit is that I'm not really looking for one-person open source projects to contribute to, so how would I ever notice them? It seems like there's an opportunity here.

ThomPete 17y ago

It's a good story, Seth posted about it too a while back. The problem like with Gladwell's "Tipping Point" and "Blink" is that they sound actionable but aren't really.