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Simplicity is actually the opposite of unsophisticated. For example nearly every developer I know uses a Macbook Pro - they aren't "technically inept" (that's

by diezge 11y ago

Simplicity is actually the opposite of unsophisticated. For example nearly every developer I know uses a Macbook Pro - they aren't "technically inept" (that's quite arrogant btw), they are just more interested in getting stuff done as opposed to spending 10 hours setting up a Linux distro no one has heard of just to make themselves feel l33t...

vacri 11y ago
What, every developer? You really live in a bubble - get out and meet more. > just to make themselves feel l33t. Yeah, because there's absolutely no status signalling with Apple products. Edit: parent comment has since been altered.
- diezge 11y ago
  > What, every developer? You really live in a bubble - get out and meet more. Not all of them run OS X, but yep - the devices are reliable, last for a very long time and do the job well. > Yeah, because there's absolutely no status signalling with Apple products. Most people I know with iPhones are just regular people. I used to be an Android user (and will never hate on it) but most Western tech people with them are like the poster above - smug with an unfounded sense of superiority.
  - vacri 11y ago
    Keep on changing your tune. Every developer you know uses a macbook pro because they don't want to set up a linux distro, but not all of those macbook pros are running OSX? What are the non-OSX macbook pros running? ^BSD? Just as much fiddling as linux. Windows? Now that is a rare creature. > most [broad demographic] are [negative attribute] Sure they are. At least the GP openly recognises that they might be projecting.
    - dagw 11y ago
      Windows? Now that is a rare creature. Not in my experience. At most .Net/Windows dev events I've been to Macbooks running windows are hardly uncommon.
      - vacri 11y ago
        I stand corrected, though I imagine if the parent moved in those circles, there'd be more than a few non-macbooks in sight.
    - diezge 11y ago
      > Keep on changing your tune. Every developer you know uses a macbook pro because they don't want to set up a linux distro, but not all of those macbook pros are running OSX? That's reaching - you know full well I wasn't talking about distros like Ubuntu, hence the 'no one has heard of' part. > Sure they are. At least the GP openly recognises that they might be projecting. Projecting their l33tness, which literally no one cares about or wants to here. Simplicity is better, there is nothing inferior about something being simple.
      - josteink 11y ago
        > Projecting their l33tness, which literally no one cares about or wants to here. On the contrary: I showed that the original author of the submission was projecting the main premesis of his article. And I showed how subjective projection is absolutely meaningless at any scale above yourself, by sharing my own projection of the same thing. Basically how this was an utter rubbish article. I think it was quite successful and absolutely demonstrated my point beyond my wildest expectations.
m0skit0 11y ago
Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. One really good dev I knew for a couple of days (he was a customer of ours) had to use a Mac because of company policy, he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. And I did spend 10 hours to set up a Linux distro because I cared actually learn something about how an OS worked. Then I made my own just for the fun. Now most Linux distros install and work flawlessly in 10 minutes. I use Ubuntu at work and I don't have any major complaint in over 3 years: it has all UNIX tools a REAL developer needs (no need to install Macports or whatever for really basic tools) and even if you need anything is as simple as apt-get install (and this since I started using Linux back in 2002). When online stores first appeared (e.g. Apple Store) all people were amazed, and we Linux users were "meh". And developers can be technically inept. I know a lot of those that don't even know how a network or an OS works, because they don't care. From my experience, and generally speaking, those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac.
- diezge 11y ago
  > Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. > People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. Who cares about bigots like Linus? People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? > he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. Edgy. > those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac. Your comment is a caricature of everything I was talking about. Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us...
  - m0skit0 11y ago
    > No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. I haven't had any problems with my PCs for many many years. You just have to buy quality hardware, and even then, it's half the price of a Mac with twice the performance. In fact before OS X, you could argue that Mac OS was pretty crappy. Now it is OK, but seems like a wonderful evolution coming from Mac OS 9. > Who cares about bigots like Linus? Don't deviate the conversation when you have no arguments. I don't care if they're bigots or their sexual preferences or if they like cats better than dogs. I care about what they built, and those are two of the greatest developers alive, period. Now give me an example of one guy as good as those two who uses Mac for developing. > People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Edgy You're focusing on anecdotes because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us... Ad hominem because you lack arguments. Nice try.
dang 11y ago
This is the sort of dismissive comment that produces embarrassing flamewars like the below. If you're going to post about something tribal, please edit out snark like "just to make themselves feel l33t". And please don't escalate when someone takes what you said the wrong way. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11102696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11102696 and marked it off-topic.
- diezge 11y ago
  The fact that you're blaming me for sticking up for people who are dismissed as inferior due to the tech the use, and after reading the comment chain, speaks volumes about the kind of people who frequent this site, and the kind of person you are too. Could you just ban this account please
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by diezge 11y ago

vacri 11y ago

What, every developer? You really live in a bubble - get out and meet more. > just to make themselves feel l33t. Yeah, because there's absolutely no status signalling with Apple products. Edit: parent comment has since been altered.

diezge 11y ago
> What, every developer? You really live in a bubble - get out and meet more. Not all of them run OS X, but yep - the devices are reliable, last for a very long time and do the job well. > Yeah, because there's absolutely no status signalling with Apple products. Most people I know with iPhones are just regular people. I used to be an Android user (and will never hate on it) but most Western tech people with them are like the poster above - smug with an unfounded sense of superiority.
- vacri 11y ago
  Keep on changing your tune. Every developer you know uses a macbook pro because they don't want to set up a linux distro, but not all of those macbook pros are running OSX? What are the non-OSX macbook pros running? ^BSD? Just as much fiddling as linux. Windows? Now that is a rare creature. > most [broad demographic] are [negative attribute] Sure they are. At least the GP openly recognises that they might be projecting.
  - dagw 11y ago
    Windows? Now that is a rare creature. Not in my experience. At most .Net/Windows dev events I've been to Macbooks running windows are hardly uncommon.
    - vacri 11y ago
      I stand corrected, though I imagine if the parent moved in those circles, there'd be more than a few non-macbooks in sight.
  - diezge 11y ago
    > Keep on changing your tune. Every developer you know uses a macbook pro because they don't want to set up a linux distro, but not all of those macbook pros are running OSX? That's reaching - you know full well I wasn't talking about distros like Ubuntu, hence the 'no one has heard of' part. > Sure they are. At least the GP openly recognises that they might be projecting. Projecting their l33tness, which literally no one cares about or wants to here. Simplicity is better, there is nothing inferior about something being simple.
    - josteink 11y ago
      > Projecting their l33tness, which literally no one cares about or wants to here. On the contrary: I showed that the original author of the submission was projecting the main premesis of his article. And I showed how subjective projection is absolutely meaningless at any scale above yourself, by sharing my own projection of the same thing. Basically how this was an utter rubbish article. I think it was quite successful and absolutely demonstrated my point beyond my wildest expectations.

m0skit0 11y ago

Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. One really good dev I knew for a couple of days (he was a customer of ours) had to use a Mac because of company policy, he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. And I did spend 10 hours to set up a Linux distro because I cared actually learn something about how an OS worked. Then I made my own just for the fun. Now most Linux distros install and work flawlessly in 10 minutes. I use Ubuntu at work and I don't have any major complaint in over 3 years: it has all UNIX tools a REAL developer needs (no need to install Macports or whatever for really basic tools) and even if you need anything is as simple as apt-get install (and this since I started using Linux back in 2002). When online stores first appeared (e.g. Apple Store) all people were amazed, and we Linux users were "meh". And developers can be technically inept. I know a lot of those that don't even know how a network or an OS works, because they don't care. From my experience, and generally speaking, those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac.

diezge 11y ago
> Yeah, you know why? Because developer is the new cool, and you can't be cool enough without an Apple logo. No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. > People that really don't care about cool don't use Apple, e.g. Stallman, Linus. Who cares about bigots like Linus? People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? > he just put installed a Linux on it and put a sticker over the Apple logo. Edgy. > those are the kind of unhackish devs that use Mac. Your comment is a caricature of everything I was talking about. Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us...
- m0skit0 11y ago
  > No, it's because those machines are reliable, tend to last for many years without any problems, devtools are optimised for OS X, OS X is Unix-based etc etc. I don't get how is this exclusive to Macs. I haven't had any problems with my PCs for many many years. You just have to buy quality hardware, and even then, it's half the price of a Mac with twice the performance. In fact before OS X, you could argue that Mac OS was pretty crappy. Now it is OK, but seems like a wonderful evolution coming from Mac OS 9. > Who cares about bigots like Linus? Don't deviate the conversation when you have no arguments. I don't care if they're bigots or their sexual preferences or if they like cats better than dogs. I care about what they built, and those are two of the greatest developers alive, period. Now give me an example of one guy as good as those two who uses Mac for developing. > People who follow others without questioning them are surely just as much of a sheep as Apple users? You're making up stuff nobody said because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Edgy You're focusing on anecdotes because you lack arguments. Nice try. > Hope you didn't waste too much of your time talking to peasants like us... Ad hominem because you lack arguments. Nice try.

dang 11y ago

This is the sort of dismissive comment that produces embarrassing flamewars like the below. If you're going to post about something tribal, please edit out snark like "just to make themselves feel l33t". And please don't escalate when someone takes what you said the wrong way. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11102696 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11102696 and marked it off-topic.

diezge 11y ago
The fact that you're blaming me for sticking up for people who are dismissed as inferior due to the tech the use, and after reading the comment chain, speaks volumes about the kind of people who frequent this site, and the kind of person you are too. Could you just ban this account please
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