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This has been a strange year. Some people that pointed out "victim culture" were demonized for it earlier this year. It's strange to see that the idea has caugh

by eep_opp 11y ago

This has been a strange year. Some people that pointed out "victim culture" were demonized for it earlier this year. It's strange to see that the idea has caught on. The 'victimhood' culture was only a very small minority of people found online that praised each other for things like being neurodivergent and handed out encouragement for not seeking medical help. It was crazy to see ideas like 'manspreading' being taken seriously outside of those (not so small after all) communities. Have they already overstayed their welcome? The terrible part is that some legitimate complaints are being mistaken for the usual whine.

omginternets 11y ago
> manspreading Was this really taken seriously outside of the communities you're referring to? I got the sense that an overwhelming majority of people rolled their eyes.
- eep_opp 11y ago
  http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/MTA-targets-manspreading-on-new-york-city-subways.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/MTA-targets-mansp...
  - omginternets 11y ago
    These men are impolite -- I'll agree to that -- but how rich and decadent does a society have to become to waste public resources on impoliteness? Just ask a motherf*@&er to move. It's what we do here in Paris, and 99% of the time, people are embarrassed and compliant when you call them out. But noooooo, let's all act like babies and tweet about how the literally the whole world is oppressing us. I wish I could ship these people to Syria and show them some real oppression.
    - kelukelugames 11y ago
      One of my co-workers bragged about purposely siting next to manspreaders. She was really proud of it. I guess she thought it was part of the fight for equal rights? I don't know, I'm so confused by this world sometimes.
    - bmelton 11y ago
      > Just ask a motherf*@&er to move. Even that's not even usually necessary. I tried to avoid manspreading when I realized it was a thing, but I can't. I have testicles. Sitting like someone without testicles is rather uncomfortable. That said, if someone is nearing the seat next to me, I will (and anecdotally, so will everyone else I observed) pull my legs closer together to accommodate. When this was a thing, most of the pics I saw on Tumblr were photos of guys being shamed for spreading even while the bus/subway/metro/whatever was only half full, and there was no reason for anyone to have to sit uncomfortably.
      - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
        If your testes are so sufficiently swollen that you can't comfortable sit with your legs together, that could be a sign of a medical condition and you should consider seeing a doctor.
        bmelton 11y ago
        Indulging the idea that is true, that would make the critics of manspreading guilty of picking on those with a medical condition, which seems like a rather abhorrent crime, by their own standards.
        omginternets 11y ago
        My testicles are average in size, but as squats are part of my workout routine, they tend to get mushed by my legs. I can't believe we're actually talking about this... Is this what feminism has become? Maybe I should just take my pants off to show the whole world what horrible, horrible oppression I'm facing at the hands of women. I know, I can call it being "body positive"! Either that or I can continue to care, sit comfortably, and take solace in the fact that these women are ultimately making complete fools of themselves.
      - omginternets 11y ago
        >sitting like someone without testicles is rather uncomfortable. I have a pair as well, but I think a distinction needs to be made between "not having your knees together" and "opening wide because fuck you I want 3 seats". The former is fine, the latter is rude. >most of the pics I saw on Tumblr were photos of guys being shamed for spreading even while the bus/subway/metro/whatever was only half full Same here. I suppose it's ultimately a good sign that 3rd-wave feminists are running out of things to complain about.
SolaceQuantum 11y ago
Neurodivergence as a movement started out of functional people with managed symptoms being forced into abusive 'cure' therapies from intolerant parents. It is still by and far the go to movement to discuss the stigma of being mentally ill despite functionality and lack of distress.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  What happens if the distress is over other's reaction to the condition, but not due to the condition itself.
  - SolaceQuantum 11y ago
    That's also in neurodivergence afaik, unless we're talking about trans folk, they're their own category.

by eep_opp 11y ago

omginternets 11y ago

> manspreading Was this really taken seriously outside of the communities you're referring to? I got the sense that an overwhelming majority of people rolled their eyes.

eep_opp 11y ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/MTA-targets-manspreading-on-new-york-city-subways.html http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/21/nyregion/MTA-targets-mansp...
- omginternets 11y ago
  These men are impolite -- I'll agree to that -- but how rich and decadent does a society have to become to waste public resources on impoliteness? Just ask a motherf*@&er to move. It's what we do here in Paris, and 99% of the time, people are embarrassed and compliant when you call them out. But noooooo, let's all act like babies and tweet about how the literally the whole world is oppressing us. I wish I could ship these people to Syria and show them some real oppression.
  - kelukelugames 11y ago
    One of my co-workers bragged about purposely siting next to manspreaders. She was really proud of it. I guess she thought it was part of the fight for equal rights? I don't know, I'm so confused by this world sometimes.
  - bmelton 11y ago
    > Just ask a motherf*@&er to move. Even that's not even usually necessary. I tried to avoid manspreading when I realized it was a thing, but I can't. I have testicles. Sitting like someone without testicles is rather uncomfortable. That said, if someone is nearing the seat next to me, I will (and anecdotally, so will everyone else I observed) pull my legs closer together to accommodate. When this was a thing, most of the pics I saw on Tumblr were photos of guys being shamed for spreading even while the bus/subway/metro/whatever was only half full, and there was no reason for anyone to have to sit uncomfortably.
    - GFK_of_xmaspast 11y ago
      If your testes are so sufficiently swollen that you can't comfortable sit with your legs together, that could be a sign of a medical condition and you should consider seeing a doctor.
      - bmelton 11y ago
        Indulging the idea that is true, that would make the critics of manspreading guilty of picking on those with a medical condition, which seems like a rather abhorrent crime, by their own standards.
      - omginternets 11y ago
        My testicles are average in size, but as squats are part of my workout routine, they tend to get mushed by my legs. I can't believe we're actually talking about this... Is this what feminism has become? Maybe I should just take my pants off to show the whole world what horrible, horrible oppression I'm facing at the hands of women. I know, I can call it being "body positive"! Either that or I can continue to care, sit comfortably, and take solace in the fact that these women are ultimately making complete fools of themselves.
    - omginternets 11y ago
      >sitting like someone without testicles is rather uncomfortable. I have a pair as well, but I think a distinction needs to be made between "not having your knees together" and "opening wide because fuck you I want 3 seats". The former is fine, the latter is rude. >most of the pics I saw on Tumblr were photos of guys being shamed for spreading even while the bus/subway/metro/whatever was only half full Same here. I suppose it's ultimately a good sign that 3rd-wave feminists are running out of things to complain about.

SolaceQuantum 11y ago

Neurodivergence as a movement started out of functional people with managed symptoms being forced into abusive 'cure' therapies from intolerant parents. It is still by and far the go to movement to discuss the stigma of being mentally ill despite functionality and lack of distress.

Lawtonfogle 11y ago
What happens if the distress is over other's reaction to the condition, but not due to the condition itself.
- SolaceQuantum 11y ago
  That's also in neurodivergence afaik, unless we're talking about trans folk, they're their own category.