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Seems fairly easy to me. Pay 18 year old boys $10k to get a vasectomy. Watch birth rates plummet. Captialism gives us systematic inequality, we should use it to

Seems fairly easy to me. Pay 18 year old boys $10k to get a vasectomy. Watch birth rates plummet. Captialism gives us systematic inequality, we should use it to fix more problems

bilbo0s 11y ago
??? That's not the way you control birth rates. You control birth rates by controlling FEMALE fertility... not male fertility. There are mathematical reasons behind this, but for the purposes of simplicity I'll give the lay explanation. ie - A female can only have one (or so) child every 9 months. A single human male can produce one every day. So having a population with only one male, but 100 females, allows for a FAR higher reproduction rate than a population with 100 males, but only one female.
- electricblue 11y ago
  Vasectomy is currently the only permanent sterilization procedure without serious health risks. Barring some strange shift in cultural attitudes where fertile males suddenly become irresistible to every female on earth it should do fine until we find a better way for both genders. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
  - bilbo0s 11y ago
    In that case... I hope you have some strange shift in cultural attitudes planned for preventing females from being forcibly used by fertile males. I'm not saying we need a perfect method... I'm saying we need a method that acknowledges the realities that many populations around the world live in. Female victimization is a reality in a lot of places on this planet. (To be completely fair... it's a reality even here in the US. Even on the university campus I'm sitting on.)
    - electricblue 11y ago
      Do you have any proof that rape makes a significant contribution to population growth or just grasping at straws?
      - bilbo0s 11y ago
        Rape was the major contributor to population growth in Eastern Kivu back when Nkunda was running rampant. And, to keep everything honest, it still is. (Particularly in Goma). It's not like rape and massacres went away because the Rwandans decided to replace their warlords. The Rwandans still do what Rwandans do I'm sure. I'm only saying that you ascribe certain properties to the populations you are dealing with. And there are definitely places in the world where your assumptions fail to hold up. But biology ALWAYS holds up. By the way... I was being kind. Rape is only ONE whole in your plan. There are many. For instance, your plan also assumes women will never simply get horny. Or that they will only "get off" in certain predetermined ways that your plan deems acceptable. Your plan assumes a lot ... and all of it from your own perspective and belief system. If we work within biological limits... we achieve our goals regardless of the local belief system.
        tormeh 11y ago
        You can have sex with an infertile man. Vasectomy does not make the man lack lust, it just makes the man infertile.
        akshat_h 11y ago
        One possible problem I see is that females becoming comparatively "irresponsible" about birth control due to perception of males having vasectomy, which may increase accidental pregnancies. I am not taking birth control methods used for STD protection into account here, but the the award of 10k may need to be carefully set so as to have an optimal ratio of infertile vs fertile males. Seems like an interesting proposal though.
        bilbo0s 11y ago
        And what if a human female "gets off" on the ejaculation??? This is the point I'm making... you are asking that human females satisfy themselves with that which YOU deem it acceptable to provide them. What happens if a human female, indeed many human females, decide they want something different???
UK-AL 11y ago
Birth rates drastically plummet simply by becoming wealthier. I don't what causes it? More education? I don't know. But it's a well documented effect. Seems to me the easiest way to cut reproduction is to simply develop countries.
joeclark77 11y ago
Mass sterilization of financially desperate young men. What could possibly go wrong?
- electricblue 11y ago
  Less people needing welfare? I'm sorry, can't think of anything atm.

Seems fairly easy to me. Pay 18 year old boys $10k to get a vasectomy. Watch birth rates plummet. Captialism gives us systematic inequality, we should use it to fix more problems

bilbo0s 11y ago

??? That's not the way you control birth rates. You control birth rates by controlling FEMALE fertility... not male fertility. There are mathematical reasons behind this, but for the purposes of simplicity I'll give the lay explanation. ie - A female can only have one (or so) child every 9 months. A single human male can produce one every day. So having a population with only one male, but 100 females, allows for a FAR higher reproduction rate than a population with 100 males, but only one female.

electricblue 11y ago
Vasectomy is currently the only permanent sterilization procedure without serious health risks. Barring some strange shift in cultural attitudes where fertile males suddenly become irresistible to every female on earth it should do fine until we find a better way for both genders. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
- bilbo0s 11y ago
  In that case... I hope you have some strange shift in cultural attitudes planned for preventing females from being forcibly used by fertile males. I'm not saying we need a perfect method... I'm saying we need a method that acknowledges the realities that many populations around the world live in. Female victimization is a reality in a lot of places on this planet. (To be completely fair... it's a reality even here in the US. Even on the university campus I'm sitting on.)
  - electricblue 11y ago
    Do you have any proof that rape makes a significant contribution to population growth or just grasping at straws?
    - bilbo0s 11y ago
      Rape was the major contributor to population growth in Eastern Kivu back when Nkunda was running rampant. And, to keep everything honest, it still is. (Particularly in Goma). It's not like rape and massacres went away because the Rwandans decided to replace their warlords. The Rwandans still do what Rwandans do I'm sure. I'm only saying that you ascribe certain properties to the populations you are dealing with. And there are definitely places in the world where your assumptions fail to hold up. But biology ALWAYS holds up. By the way... I was being kind. Rape is only ONE whole in your plan. There are many. For instance, your plan also assumes women will never simply get horny. Or that they will only "get off" in certain predetermined ways that your plan deems acceptable. Your plan assumes a lot ... and all of it from your own perspective and belief system. If we work within biological limits... we achieve our goals regardless of the local belief system.
      - tormeh 11y ago
        You can have sex with an infertile man. Vasectomy does not make the man lack lust, it just makes the man infertile.
        akshat_h 11y ago
        One possible problem I see is that females becoming comparatively "irresponsible" about birth control due to perception of males having vasectomy, which may increase accidental pregnancies. I am not taking birth control methods used for STD protection into account here, but the the award of 10k may need to be carefully set so as to have an optimal ratio of infertile vs fertile males. Seems like an interesting proposal though.
        bilbo0s 11y ago
        And what if a human female "gets off" on the ejaculation??? This is the point I'm making... you are asking that human females satisfy themselves with that which YOU deem it acceptable to provide them. What happens if a human female, indeed many human females, decide they want something different???

UK-AL 11y ago

Birth rates drastically plummet simply by becoming wealthier. I don't what causes it? More education? I don't know. But it's a well documented effect. Seems to me the easiest way to cut reproduction is to simply develop countries.

joeclark77 11y ago

Mass sterilization of financially desperate young men. What could possibly go wrong?

electricblue 11y ago
Less people needing welfare? I'm sorry, can't think of anything atm.