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They do acknowledge the source of the font: "Hack has deep roots in the libre, open source typeface community and includes the contributions of the Bitstream V

They do acknowledge the source of the font: "Hack has deep roots in the libre, open source typeface community and includes the contributions of the Bitstream Vera & DejaVu projects." It's a bit disingenuous though. I'd call Hack a straight copy of Deja Vu Sans Mono, with a few very minor tweaks. On Linux using the TTF fonts I can't even see a difference in line height: http://i.imgur.com/wxTr0at.png http://i.imgur.com/wxTr0at.png http://i.imgur.com/OO1bJFE.png http://i.imgur.com/OO1bJFE.png The only glyphs I can tell which are slightly different are 'i', '0' and '_'.

mistercow 11y ago
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drivingmenuts 11y ago
In any other medium, we might call that plagiarism.
- kaoD 11y ago
  Fortunately we can call that a fork, since they comply with the license. https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack/blob/master/LICENSE.md
  - adrusi 11y ago
    Copyright infringement != plagiarism. They're not violating the copyright because they abide by the terms of the license. They're also not plagiarising because they clearly cite its original source. They even go so far as to say "deeply rooted in" which seems to me like a euphamism for "virtually identical to". The point here isn't that it's illegal or immoral, just kind of uninteresting.
    - kaoD 11y ago
      If, for example, someone repackaged a public domain font without attributing source, I wouldn't call that plagiarism either. In my definition of plagiarism it implies unauthorized use (i.e. not complying with the license) but I guess that's open to interpretation. So it'd still be uninteresting, unimaginative, not original work... but not plagiarism.
muyuu 11y ago
By "deep roots" they mean a copy-paste job with a linear transformation. LOL.
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pen2l 11y ago
To turn the conversation to a slightly different direction: this is a great case study of the kind of effects branding can have. Dejavu sans mono, an otherwise boring and established font, especially for those using Linux, somehow just seemed something sexy and exciting because it's a newly released, specially made font called Hack, it's a font that represents a very fundamental paradigm shift in how fonts have been, the seamless legibility this font offers is unprecedented. This font is finally the one thing that will enable you to code better than you could ever before. You can't wait to try it out, can you. Go ahead, take it out for a spin. Set your terminal to use Hack, open up vim, and write up a helloworld.c program. You won't believe it -- it'll all come out beautifully and without effort, you'll find the code writing itself through you.
okamiueru 11y ago
Adjusted and combined your examples to a gif. The one with the red square is the Hack font. http://i.imgur.com/8SqL6mT.gif http://i.imgur.com/8SqL6mT.gif Aside from '_', 'i', '0', many of the changes are so minuscule that it feels more like a change for the sake of change. Some however are nice, like the parenthesis placement, cleaner 'r'. One thing I really don't like is the change to a serif-style comma. They've probably argued that it improves readability, and prefer that over typeface consistency. They should emphasize more the previous work they are using, otherwise they might come across as ... hacks. I'll probably stick with inconsolata though. But good job, nonetheless.
- newscracker 11y ago
  > Some however are nice, like the parenthesis placement I see the parentheses as problematic on their own. When I read the functions that don't have any arguments, it looks like they have one space character within the parentheses!
- LukeHoersten 11y ago
  Thanks for combining these images. The red square was really clever for peripheral vision identification of the image. I agree with a lot of what you said here. Weirdly, they went sans-serif with the 'i' and serif with the comma. I'm personally a fan of commas, semicolons, and quotations having the same visual flavor and the Hack changes went farther from that.
- welly 11y ago
  I can't stand the Hack 'i'. It's awful.

mistercow 11y ago

"," too

drivingmenuts 11y ago

In any other medium, we might call that plagiarism.

kaoD 11y ago
Fortunately we can call that a fork, since they comply with the license. https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack/blob/master/LICENSE.md https://github.com/chrissimpkins/Hack/blob/master/LICENSE.md
- adrusi 11y ago
  Copyright infringement != plagiarism. They're not violating the copyright because they abide by the terms of the license. They're also not plagiarising because they clearly cite its original source. They even go so far as to say "deeply rooted in" which seems to me like a euphamism for "virtually identical to". The point here isn't that it's illegal or immoral, just kind of uninteresting.
  - kaoD 11y ago
    If, for example, someone repackaged a public domain font without attributing source, I wouldn't call that plagiarism either. In my definition of plagiarism it implies unauthorized use (i.e. not complying with the license) but I guess that's open to interpretation. So it'd still be uninteresting, unimaginative, not original work... but not plagiarism.

muyuu 11y ago

By "deep roots" they mean a copy-paste job with a linear transformation. LOL.

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pen2l 11y ago

To turn the conversation to a slightly different direction: this is a great case study of the kind of effects branding can have. Dejavu sans mono, an otherwise boring and established font, especially for those using Linux, somehow just seemed something sexy and exciting because it's a newly released, specially made font called Hack, it's a font that represents a very fundamental paradigm shift in how fonts have been, the seamless legibility this font offers is unprecedented. This font is finally the one thing that will enable you to code better than you could ever before. You can't wait to try it out, can you. Go ahead, take it out for a spin. Set your terminal to use Hack, open up vim, and write up a helloworld.c program. You won't believe it -- it'll all come out beautifully and without effort, you'll find the code writing itself through you.

okamiueru 11y ago

Adjusted and combined your examples to a gif. The one with the red square is the Hack font. http://i.imgur.com/8SqL6mT.gif http://i.imgur.com/8SqL6mT.gif Aside from '_', 'i', '0', many of the changes are so minuscule that it feels more like a change for the sake of change. Some however are nice, like the parenthesis placement, cleaner 'r'. One thing I really don't like is the change to a serif-style comma. They've probably argued that it improves readability, and prefer that over typeface consistency. They should emphasize more the previous work they are using, otherwise they might come across as ... hacks. I'll probably stick with inconsolata though. But good job, nonetheless.

newscracker 11y ago
> Some however are nice, like the parenthesis placement I see the parentheses as problematic on their own. When I read the functions that don't have any arguments, it looks like they have one space character within the parentheses!
LukeHoersten 11y ago
Thanks for combining these images. The red square was really clever for peripheral vision identification of the image. I agree with a lot of what you said here. Weirdly, they went sans-serif with the 'i' and serif with the comma. I'm personally a fan of commas, semicolons, and quotations having the same visual flavor and the Hack changes went farther from that.
welly 11y ago
I can't stand the Hack 'i'. It's awful.