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> It’s the arcane shortcuts All of which can be configured.
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Sure, but how often do you need to touch that config? Since I keep my configs in a repo, I just checked the last time I changed my `.tmux.conf`. Turns out it was 2018, and I changed a grand total of 2 lines. And I use tmux daily, not just r
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This isn't about making optimal decisions, this is about not making obviously bad ones. Right now, with our current science and technology, sending humans on space-exploration missions, simply isn't worth it. It adds a huge pile o
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> is all that is required for the process? No, that is only the panels required just to generate the electricity for the process . This does not include, among other things: cabling, scaffolds, mountings, inverters, electronics, any bat
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> Hydrogen and oxygen can be made from water Judging by [this][1], good luck trying to find adequate supplies of water on the Moon. > methane can be made from regolith and water. Again, good luck with that, because as shown [here][2],
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> So, if you have a vibrant manufacturing enviroment in space And how does this "vibrant manufacturing environment" get into space? How is it supplied with personnel, food, water, spare parts, etc.? Let's just focus on one
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> Depending on where you established infrastructure on the moon, it might be pretty easy to conceal the things you're doing in space. No it wouldn't be, because there is zero chance in hell of everyone else on Earth not realizi
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> that would probably make a huge blow to that (subconscious) mental picture. And? Okay, so let's say this happens, and now some people think: "Wow China is more powerful in space than the US!" . What is the real world im
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That's a lot of effort for something god knows how many people change as pretty much the first thing after they first login to a new system.
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This discussion is about space exploration, not maintenance tasks close to Earth.
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> This is a demonstration that when costs of getting the people there are low enough, people > robots. Maintenance missions close to Earth and space exploration are 2 very different tasks. This does in no way "reality check"
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> just that the case can be made that it could happen, and therefore human spacelight is not necessarily a bad idea Nuclear war could happen, that doesn't make waging nuclear war a good idea. > Your whataboutism Please explain ho
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Really? Please, name some. Because we have had space toilets, space showers, etc. for quite some time now. What specific advancement to the tech that everyday people here on earth use in their daily lives have come from these developments?
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> In reality you would just need a tether and counterweight. And a ship that still maintains its course, and can still be steered when bound to such a contraption. Oh, and a tether material that can actually hold against that strain unde
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> there is no activity for which a robot could be developed at great expense to do that activity That expense is still orders of magnitude lower than sending humans. And even IF launch costs go lower (and that's a big if), it wouldn
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> Automation outperforms astronauts for (say) Hubble Telescope Repair? The last hubble repair mission was in 2009. Robotics have come a long way since then. And the Hubble was still pretty close to earth. I can guarantee you that no huma
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You mean like it could be that launch costs will become so low the differential will not matter any more?
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> Are you suggesting that China will be satisfied with merely the amount of soft power that they are gaining from funding infrastructure projects in Africa and will not seek additional soft power through other routes? No, I am not. I am,
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Gentle reminder: https://www.inc.com/kit-eaton/why-a-former-white-house-cyber...
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> For human spaceflight to be ruled out, automation has to be superior for every worthwhile application of human labor in space, not just some of them. This is the case right now. There is not a single activity in space exploration right
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If I could, I would go and be a watchmaker in the 18th century.
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> : the human body is a much more adapted tool to unknown situations than robots are. Here on Earth, that is true. Everywhere else however, our body is confined to a bulky, heavy, unwieldy space suit, and has exactly as much range of mov
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There is also no compelling reason to build a manned base on the Moon, or try to build a city on Mars.
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> I have low expectations for a robotic field geologist built on a NASA budget. And yet they have put one on Mars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseverance_(rover)#Instrumen... Thing is: Building something that ca
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> Artificial gravity is easily generated via rotation or thrust. https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/1308/why-are-there... Sure, "easily". > It will be far easier to get materials into space
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> So, if it were to be as cheap to go into space as to go to St. Louis Obviously there is a breakpoint at which the cost differential would no longer matter, I agree. It's just as obvious however, that this breakpoint won't be
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> The cost of developing space robots doesn't decline nearly as much. Developing Costs wouldn't, but deployment costs would. If launching becomes cheaper, then, sure, I could launch more space toilets and freeze-dried groceri
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> We covered more ground in a lunar rover in a week than any of our mars rovers covered in a year. And this counters my argument...how exactly? Even forgetting the fact that scientific progress isn't measured in "kilometers dri
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> But a manned outpost beyond earth would make the logistics for large scale space exploration (even with robots) much more feasible, no? How would it do so exactly? Please give me a technical reason for this assumption. Because, I predi
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> the enormous amount of international credibility and resulting soft power You know what is giving China soft power? Funding projects around all of Africa. You know what is not giving western countries soft power? Burning Billions on Sp
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