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Programmers generally have to be hired and paid. We do not know what Satoshi's financial arrangements were, and we do not know if he mined early on in the netw

Programmers generally have to be hired and paid. We do not know what Satoshi's financial arrangements were, and we do not know if he mined early on in the network using accounts which are not publicly associated with him. I do not think your position is stable under close examination.

yc1010 11y ago
Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... As for "Programmers generally have to be hired and paid." argument there are plenty of good free and open source projects (Linux, Redis etc) where alot of the gruntwork was done for free one their time by the various developer(s) and only later did they make money (in most cases they do not) from their software. You are putting the cart before the horse. It is YOUR choice of course, but once again the whole approach stinks, imho.
- Hexayurt 11y ago
  Effectively funding FOSS projects is HARD. We wound up with GPG and OpenSSL maintained by tiny teams going broke because we hadn't figured out how to get people paid for the jobs they were doing. We took an approach to that, and we've produced the code. I don't see that as a problem. My permanent project, http://hexayurt.com http://hexayurt.com is a fully FOSS refugee building solution that hasn't taken people's money (not a charity, and we don't accept cash donations) and there are good reasons for that, but not all public works can be produced by volunteers. Sometimes you need 100% of a professional for years, and unless they're going to live on the streets, their rent needs to be paid. We should not require FOSS programmers to self-fund.
- unimpressive 11y ago
  >Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... There's a reason this is in the HN guidelines. I'd just like to note I'm not their buddies and specifically downvoted you because: 1. You're repeating yourself. 2. You're not being realistic about what it takes to write a complicated programming project. 3. You're not really being clear what about their crowdfunding position 'stinks' besides that crowdfunding is commonly used to fund scams (and even that I got through inference).
  - yc1010 11y ago
    Nope these gobshites went back over my past posts and downvoted those too Fuck them and their fucking scam

yc1010 11y ago

Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... As for "Programmers generally have to be hired and paid." argument there are plenty of good free and open source projects (Linux, Redis etc) where alot of the gruntwork was done for free one their time by the various developer(s) and only later did they make money (in most cases they do not) from their software. You are putting the cart before the horse. It is YOUR choice of course, but once again the whole approach stinks, imho.

Hexayurt 11y ago
Effectively funding FOSS projects is HARD. We wound up with GPG and OpenSSL maintained by tiny teams going broke because we hadn't figured out how to get people paid for the jobs they were doing. We took an approach to that, and we've produced the code. I don't see that as a problem. My permanent project, http://hexayurt.com http://hexayurt.com is a fully FOSS refugee building solution that hasn't taken people's money (not a charity, and we don't accept cash donations) and there are good reasons for that, but not all public works can be produced by volunteers. Sometimes you need 100% of a professional for years, and unless they're going to live on the streets, their rent needs to be paid. We should not require FOSS programmers to self-fund.
unimpressive 11y ago
>Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... There's a reason this is in the HN guidelines. I'd just like to note I'm not their buddies and specifically downvoted you because: 1. You're repeating yourself. 2. You're not being realistic about what it takes to write a complicated programming project. 3. You're not really being clear what about their crowdfunding position 'stinks' besides that crowdfunding is commonly used to fund scams (and even that I got through inference).
- yc1010 11y ago
  Nope these gobshites went back over my past posts and downvoted those too Fuck them and their fucking scam