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I think we have just delivered quite a lot: the network is up and running, transactions enabled Monday or Tuesday, and the code is all FOSS and available for do

I think we have just delivered quite a lot: the network is up and running, transactions enabled Monday or Tuesday, and the code is all FOSS and available for download. We have shipped.

yc1010 11y ago
From what I gather one has to pay you (in bitcoin of course) to get ether to even use the network. Now once again contrast it to how Satoshi quietly created probably one of the most important projects of the last decade without asking for a cent. You do understand that the whole crowdfunding thing quite literally sends all sorts of alarm bells rolling, especially since so many other project are doing the same. Now granted out of all the projects i listed above yours is the most promising and the most ambitious, but once again the whole thing stinks.
- Hexayurt 11y ago
  Programmers generally have to be hired and paid. We do not know what Satoshi's financial arrangements were, and we do not know if he mined early on in the network using accounts which are not publicly associated with him. I do not think your position is stable under close examination.
  - yc1010 11y ago
    Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... As for "Programmers generally have to be hired and paid." argument there are plenty of good free and open source projects (Linux, Redis etc) where alot of the gruntwork was done for free one their time by the various developer(s) and only later did they make money (in most cases they do not) from their software. You are putting the cart before the horse. It is YOUR choice of course, but once again the whole approach stinks, imho.
    - Hexayurt 11y ago
      Effectively funding FOSS projects is HARD. We wound up with GPG and OpenSSL maintained by tiny teams going broke because we hadn't figured out how to get people paid for the jobs they were doing. We took an approach to that, and we've produced the code. I don't see that as a problem. My permanent project, http://hexayurt.com http://hexayurt.com is a fully FOSS refugee building solution that hasn't taken people's money (not a charity, and we don't accept cash donations) and there are good reasons for that, but not all public works can be produced by volunteers. Sometimes you need 100% of a professional for years, and unless they're going to live on the streets, their rent needs to be paid. We should not require FOSS programmers to self-fund.
    - unimpressive 11y ago
      >Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... There's a reason this is in the HN guidelines. I'd just like to note I'm not their buddies and specifically downvoted you because: 1. You're repeating yourself. 2. You're not being realistic about what it takes to write a complicated programming project. 3. You're not really being clear what about their crowdfunding position 'stinks' besides that crowdfunding is commonly used to fund scams (and even that I got through inference).
      - yc1010 11y ago
        Nope these gobshites went back over my past posts and downvoted those too Fuck them and their fucking scam
- DennisP 11y ago
  You're a bit misinformed. If you've got a decent GPU, there's nothing stopping you from firing up the mining software and earning some ether right now. In a few days you'll also be able to buy it on exchanges.
tyho 11y ago
Crowd funding would have been fine. What you did was pre-mine. This undermines the currency. Nobody is going to trust a currency where you hold so much of it and there is no way to prove you gave as much away as you clam you did.

I think we have just delivered quite a lot: the network is up and running, transactions enabled Monday or Tuesday, and the code is all FOSS and available for download. We have shipped.

yc1010 11y ago

From what I gather one has to pay you (in bitcoin of course) to get ether to even use the network. Now once again contrast it to how Satoshi quietly created probably one of the most important projects of the last decade without asking for a cent. You do understand that the whole crowdfunding thing quite literally sends all sorts of alarm bells rolling, especially since so many other project are doing the same. Now granted out of all the projects i listed above yours is the most promising and the most ambitious, but once again the whole thing stinks.

Hexayurt 11y ago
Programmers generally have to be hired and paid. We do not know what Satoshi's financial arrangements were, and we do not know if he mined early on in the network using accounts which are not publicly associated with him. I do not think your position is stable under close examination.
- yc1010 11y ago
  Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... As for "Programmers generally have to be hired and paid." argument there are plenty of good free and open source projects (Linux, Redis etc) where alot of the gruntwork was done for free one their time by the various developer(s) and only later did they make money (in most cases they do not) from their software. You are putting the cart before the horse. It is YOUR choice of course, but once again the whole approach stinks, imho.
  - Hexayurt 11y ago
    Effectively funding FOSS projects is HARD. We wound up with GPG and OpenSSL maintained by tiny teams going broke because we hadn't figured out how to get people paid for the jobs they were doing. We took an approach to that, and we've produced the code. I don't see that as a problem. My permanent project, http://hexayurt.com http://hexayurt.com is a fully FOSS refugee building solution that hasn't taken people's money (not a charity, and we don't accept cash donations) and there are good reasons for that, but not all public works can be produced by volunteers. Sometimes you need 100% of a professional for years, and unless they're going to live on the streets, their rent needs to be paid. We should not require FOSS programmers to self-fund.
  - unimpressive 11y ago
    >Well that fact that you and your buddies are busy down voting me speaks for itself... There's a reason this is in the HN guidelines. I'd just like to note I'm not their buddies and specifically downvoted you because: 1. You're repeating yourself. 2. You're not being realistic about what it takes to write a complicated programming project. 3. You're not really being clear what about their crowdfunding position 'stinks' besides that crowdfunding is commonly used to fund scams (and even that I got through inference).
    - yc1010 11y ago
      Nope these gobshites went back over my past posts and downvoted those too Fuck them and their fucking scam
DennisP 11y ago
You're a bit misinformed. If you've got a decent GPU, there's nothing stopping you from firing up the mining software and earning some ether right now. In a few days you'll also be able to buy it on exchanges.

tyho 11y ago

Crowd funding would have been fine. What you did was pre-mine. This undermines the currency. Nobody is going to trust a currency where you hold so much of it and there is no way to prove you gave as much away as you clam you did.