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Not really. In a future of self-driving cars most people won't even own their own car so most of these cars will be shared - essentially automated taxis. So aft

Not really. In a future of self-driving cars most people won't even own their own car so most of these cars will be shared - essentially automated taxis. So after the car drops you off it will go to its next call or park somewhere until someone calls it.

secabeen 11y ago
I think that will be the case for most families second car, but not their primary. People will own one family car, that's feels comfortable and contains personal items. The second car (today used largely for commuting) will be self-driving.
Touche 11y ago
Maybe in big cities where the wait time is short. How is the car going to park itself? The grandparent's point was about how annoying trying to find a parking space is. Can self-driving cars parallel park yet? Can they detect a strip where parking is only allowed between 9-4 and it's 4:30? Can they detect fire lanes? EDIT: Also, are these automated taxis really going to be more affordable than owning your own car? Taxis are incredibly expensive today. Sure you save a lot of money when you don't have to pay a driver, but is it really enough to make car ownership undesirable?
- 6d0debc071 11y ago
  > Can self-driving cars parallel park yet? Non-completely-self-driving cars can do that: https://youtu.be/xpUqj_IHYp0 https://youtu.be/xpUqj_IHYp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rxJkVzUxI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rxJkVzUxI :) > Can they detect a strip where parking is only allowed between 9-4 and it's 4:30? Can they detect fire lanes? I don't have specific examples, but I know that it's possible to read signs easily, (as in you can write a program to do it yourself with no great techno-wizardry,) and I don't see any reason they couldn't use that data.
  - Touche 11y ago
    Yeah, sure, we can think of a far future where everything is automated but I think this discussion is more about the near future (near being when self-driving cars are for sale). The logistics of parking go far beyond getting into the space. How does it pay the parking meter? How does it know if a parking lot is public or not, how does it pay for that? How does it know not to go into the unsafe neighborhood where wheels get stolen?
    - NathanKP 11y ago
      Compared to the logic involved in actually driving down the road safely these are all easy problems to solve. But realistically they are problems that won't be had, because in the near future (and probably in the far future as well) most people aren't going to buy their own personal self driving car because not only are they expensive, but it is pointless to have a personal car when it is way more convenient to offload responsibility for the car ownership to someone else. Instead they will use an app to summon an automated taxi car owned by a corporate entity (Google, Uber, etc), and when they are at their destination that car isn't going to park, it is going to be off to pick up another passenger. The car owner will have designated secure parking lots for overflow cars that aren't needed out on the roads during non peak hours. The cars would return to that designated lot when not needed.
      - Touche 11y ago
        Sure, I might be overstated the problem of parking, but I still don't see how this is more economical than car ownership. If I have to summon a taxi for everywhere I need to go I need the taxi rates to be a fraction of what they are today.
        loki540 11y ago
        Well, they will be a fraction of what they are today when the taxi company no longer has to pay an hourly wage to the taxi drivers
    - 6d0debc071 11y ago
- comex 11y ago
  The Google self driving car already relies on being fed a detailed map of everywhere it's going to drive. Adding things like fire lanes and parking restrictions to that should be relatively easy.
- ghaff 11y ago
  >Taxis are incredibly expensive today. Sure you save a lot of money when you don't have to pay a driver, but is it really enough to make car ownership undesirable? This seems to be a point that is often missed. In denser cities--where utilization can be relatively high--drivers make maybe $15 per hour. (Maybe a bit higher when actually carrying passengers which is probably the relevant metric.) So it's not clear to me how these hypothetical vehicles are going to so revolutionize the way people get around by cutting costs by maybe $15/hour (ignoring other labor costs associated with cleaning or any incremental cost of the vehicle).

secabeen 11y ago

I think that will be the case for most families second car, but not their primary. People will own one family car, that's feels comfortable and contains personal items. The second car (today used largely for commuting) will be self-driving.

Touche 11y ago

Maybe in big cities where the wait time is short. How is the car going to park itself? The grandparent's point was about how annoying trying to find a parking space is. Can self-driving cars parallel park yet? Can they detect a strip where parking is only allowed between 9-4 and it's 4:30? Can they detect fire lanes? EDIT: Also, are these automated taxis really going to be more affordable than owning your own car? Taxis are incredibly expensive today. Sure you save a lot of money when you don't have to pay a driver, but is it really enough to make car ownership undesirable?

6d0debc071 11y ago
> Can self-driving cars parallel park yet? Non-completely-self-driving cars can do that: https://youtu.be/xpUqj_IHYp0 https://youtu.be/xpUqj_IHYp0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rxJkVzUxI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-rxJkVzUxI :) > Can they detect a strip where parking is only allowed between 9-4 and it's 4:30? Can they detect fire lanes? I don't have specific examples, but I know that it's possible to read signs easily, (as in you can write a program to do it yourself with no great techno-wizardry,) and I don't see any reason they couldn't use that data.
- Touche 11y ago
  Yeah, sure, we can think of a far future where everything is automated but I think this discussion is more about the near future (near being when self-driving cars are for sale). The logistics of parking go far beyond getting into the space. How does it pay the parking meter? How does it know if a parking lot is public or not, how does it pay for that? How does it know not to go into the unsafe neighborhood where wheels get stolen?
  - NathanKP 11y ago
    Compared to the logic involved in actually driving down the road safely these are all easy problems to solve. But realistically they are problems that won't be had, because in the near future (and probably in the far future as well) most people aren't going to buy their own personal self driving car because not only are they expensive, but it is pointless to have a personal car when it is way more convenient to offload responsibility for the car ownership to someone else. Instead they will use an app to summon an automated taxi car owned by a corporate entity (Google, Uber, etc), and when they are at their destination that car isn't going to park, it is going to be off to pick up another passenger. The car owner will have designated secure parking lots for overflow cars that aren't needed out on the roads during non peak hours. The cars would return to that designated lot when not needed.
    - Touche 11y ago
      Sure, I might be overstated the problem of parking, but I still don't see how this is more economical than car ownership. If I have to summon a taxi for everywhere I need to go I need the taxi rates to be a fraction of what they are today.
      - loki540 11y ago
        Well, they will be a fraction of what they are today when the taxi company no longer has to pay an hourly wage to the taxi drivers
  - 6d0debc071 11y ago
comex 11y ago
The Google self driving car already relies on being fed a detailed map of everywhere it's going to drive. Adding things like fire lanes and parking restrictions to that should be relatively easy.
ghaff 11y ago
>Taxis are incredibly expensive today. Sure you save a lot of money when you don't have to pay a driver, but is it really enough to make car ownership undesirable? This seems to be a point that is often missed. In denser cities--where utilization can be relatively high--drivers make maybe $15 per hour. (Maybe a bit higher when actually carrying passengers which is probably the relevant metric.) So it's not clear to me how these hypothetical vehicles are going to so revolutionize the way people get around by cutting costs by maybe $15/hour (ignoring other labor costs associated with cleaning or any incremental cost of the vehicle).