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any hacker who supports the NSA or GCHQ is a traitor to the hacker culture and to the human race. these disgusting people must be stopped. the americans and bri

by gorgak 11y ago

any hacker who supports the NSA or GCHQ is a traitor to the hacker culture and to the human race. these disgusting people must be stopped. the americans and british geopolitical meddling made their own enemies which they implore you to give your freedoms up for (or did, your freedoms are gone right about now) - the NSA and GCHQ need to be completely abolished and the money put into sustainable communities and fuck their terrorist mindset bullshit ideology. they create the fucking terrorists not us. ahem :)

user_0001 11y ago
oh come on, to think this exclusive to the UK and the US is incredibly naive. To think it hasn't gone on since the beginning of government, all governments. Dismantling them won't do a damn thing, they are a product of the political system we have, not the cause. Get rid of one letter agency and another will appear. If have to go for the cause
- happyscrappy 11y ago
  In order to hate you have to separate out the US and UK because if you admit that the whole West is working together then you have to hate the whole West, and that would be stupid.
  - caskance 11y ago
    And yet, despite realizing that, some people think "well, I'll just arbitrarily limit my hate to the US and UK then" and not reconsider whether the original premise makes any sense.
golergka 11y ago
> traitor to the hacker culture and to the human race Regardless of whether your sentiment is right or not, do you really expect a comment with phrases like this to be taken seriously?
- surge 11y ago
  I assume by the smiley face at the end, he wasn't, and was being tongue in cheek the entire time, you just don't realize it until the end.
  - gorgak 11y ago
    about as far off as you could get, i was entirely serious, and it appears quite a few people agree with me. the smiley face was to indicate the controversial nature of the subject matter and the fact that i am now on a list and the death squads will be round shortly :) atb.
- tomjen3 11y ago
  I, in all seriousness, completely support that statement. Not the rest of it, but that part I do.
azraomega 11y ago
kinda extreme. Most of them probably go there for employment opportunity, nothing to do with whatever ideology. Calling them names just sound so immature and unprofessional at best.
- irishcoffee 11y ago
  To that point, if NSA actually shut down tomorrow, the Baltimore/DC metro area would collapse into financial ruin. Not exaggerating.
  - tvanantwerp 11y ago
    Bring it on--maybe I could finally afford a house around here!
    - irishcoffee 11y ago
      I don't think you understand what I mean. The area would turn into Detroit, businesses would leave en masse or close down. I'm talking on the order of 150k people losing their job either immediately or when the govt. contractor they work for shuts down. You wouldn't want to buy a house in the area at that point.
- gorgak 11y ago
  yes im sure there are some very nice very unconscious people working for GCHQ and NSA. wasnt particularly having a go at the pawns. i know tho that they believe they are really doing essential work. they would have to.
  - azraomega 11y ago
    I don't know about the work quality they have. I would expect they are highly bloated like any other big corps. I think the general feelings toward NSA or GCHQ should be directed at upper management who play games without accountability. Even though I do not disagree with their intention - which I do believe they are also trying to solve problems at hand, their approaches and lack of insight in technology can be damaging. I find people criticize government without a good understanding on how it works. A cumulative resentment due to lacking of actual person(s) to blame. Criticisms without better solutions and intention to help are just as lame as those incompetent upper managers trying to solve problems by repeating mistakes in the past.
briandear 11y ago
How many friends of yours were blown up by IRA or shot by the UVF? How many people lost arms and legs at Omagh? Sustainable communities would be great. Let's start by helping Hezbollah build co working spaces in Beirut. Maybe the next Twitter is just waiting to be created by former Shia militias. The next time ISIS cut off a head or Islamists kill someone like Theo Van Gogh for doing nothing more than making a movie, we should instead offer to build them a community garden and start a bike share program. Joking aside, the naivety of your comment is striking and reveals an exceptionally ignorant view of the world. The NSA and GCHQ certainly aren't perfect and politicians with their abuses don't help things, however those organizations have saved more people than you'd know and they are the reason we don't have 9-11s each week. Why do you think Osama Bin Laden's network was so ineffective in doing anything after 9-11? They could barely communicate. Bank accounts, cell phones, other electronic communications were nearly all off limits to Bin Laden's organization. Don't you think that is ISIS had the chance, they'd bomb downtown San Fransisco? I disagree with warrantless surveillance; I also disagree with police brutality; that doesn't mean that I want to eliminate the police. The world is full of bad people, evil people, monsters; serving single origin coffee and installing more windmills isn't going to change that. As far as being a traitor to hacker culture, grow up. You sound like ZeroCool or some other such childish caricature. Hacker culture is that of exploration, discovery and creation. It's about freedom. It isn't about anarchy or destroying the establishment. It certainly isn't about being a 21st century Neville Chamberlain. It's about standing up for what's right and speaking out against what's wrong -- and working to fix it. The NSA isn't perfect. The government isn't perfect. That doesn't mean we throw them out because they aren't working as well as they should.
- UserRights 11y ago
  The naivety of your comment is striking and reveals an exceptionally ignorant view of the world.
- yAnonymous 11y ago
  >they aren't working as well as they should That's putting it very lightly. In many ways, they're doing the opposite of what they're supposed to. Sometimes software is so broken that it's impossible to repair and throwing it out and starting new is the best way to go. It's the same with organizations and governments.
grkvlt 11y ago
> traitor to the hacker culture I don't understand the weird disconnect between HN and the intelligence community. It's almost the perfect job for a 'hacker' type: work with cutting edge technology and thousands of other incredibly intelligent people to try and out-think adversaries to gain access to their resources. You get to build defensive and offensive software to attack computer systems, and actually use it, something that would get you arrested if you did it personally. This was why I loved penetration testing, and an obvious extension of financial security would be working in national security. Yet somehow, these guys are 'evil' now, notwithstanding the IRA and otehrs in the UK, the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks, and so on - those were all perpetrated by _actual_ evil people, who deserved to be investigated and followed and found. And, looking at the leaked documents, there is a huge amount of auditing and checking - don't do this, because it's illegal, don't search for that because it's against the law - not the wild west free-for-all that people seem to imagine. Anyway, if I could get a clearance, I'm sure I'd love working for GCHQ or SIS in the infosec arena, as would most hackers. The cognitive diasonance is strong in many people!
- RRRA 11y ago
  This one sided view of their marketing pitch is exactly what's wrong with them and, to some extent HN in general, in it's Californian money & tech bubble... Seen from the outside, this kind of tech-trip-before-thinking-globally, or solutionism, is why people are upset, and rightly so. Snowden has shown, as many others have before and after, that they spy for economic and political gain against ally, they don't even respect local American's laws and could hardly be described as democratic or even accountable. I'm not saying there isn't a need for law enforcement or surveillance, but it has to be accountable, targeted and justified. Not simply a secret digital war machine disguised under the "omg, everything is now terrorism! Save the children! --fox" and cool marketing to entrap the young mind and throw them away once their time has passed... I wish I would want to work there, IF and only IF, they would fix all those issues. In the mean time, yes, they are an enemy of democracy, and a very hypocritical one at that. The public servants that work there deserve to be put to work for the greater good.
  - caskance 11y ago
drzaiusapelord 11y ago
Oh man, I hope you aren't using SELinux then. Seriously, I hate how shrill stuff like this is automatically upvoted. It seems no one wants to have a mature view of what SIGINT means in the information age and in the age of endless cyberwar and terrorism. Thus far the view is "Lets let the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc do whatever they want (including invading their neighbors and annex lands), but if the US does anything, then we will only criticize them!" Uh okay. That not intellectual or sophisticated. Its kiddie outrage politics designed to garner upvotes.
- gorgak 11y ago
  shill kiddy what? i am an actual person, and that is my actual opinion. when i first wrote it, i thought fuck this account im going to get thrown off for this. but i wanted to say it because thats what i think. stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
fantnn 11y ago
get fucked dude every single country on the planet that has the capability is doing everything they can in cyberspace, and those who can't are trying to get there, might as well be the best at it.
Daviey 11y ago
Please don't presume that you are entitled to define what hacker culture is.
- gorgak 11y ago
  i didnt, its already been defined for many years.

by gorgak 11y ago

user_0001 11y ago

oh come on, to think this exclusive to the UK and the US is incredibly naive. To think it hasn't gone on since the beginning of government, all governments. Dismantling them won't do a damn thing, they are a product of the political system we have, not the cause. Get rid of one letter agency and another will appear. If have to go for the cause

happyscrappy 11y ago
In order to hate you have to separate out the US and UK because if you admit that the whole West is working together then you have to hate the whole West, and that would be stupid.
- caskance 11y ago
  And yet, despite realizing that, some people think "well, I'll just arbitrarily limit my hate to the US and UK then" and not reconsider whether the original premise makes any sense.

golergka 11y ago

> traitor to the hacker culture and to the human race Regardless of whether your sentiment is right or not, do you really expect a comment with phrases like this to be taken seriously?

surge 11y ago
I assume by the smiley face at the end, he wasn't, and was being tongue in cheek the entire time, you just don't realize it until the end.
- gorgak 11y ago
  about as far off as you could get, i was entirely serious, and it appears quite a few people agree with me. the smiley face was to indicate the controversial nature of the subject matter and the fact that i am now on a list and the death squads will be round shortly :) atb.
tomjen3 11y ago
I, in all seriousness, completely support that statement. Not the rest of it, but that part I do.

azraomega 11y ago

kinda extreme. Most of them probably go there for employment opportunity, nothing to do with whatever ideology. Calling them names just sound so immature and unprofessional at best.

irishcoffee 11y ago
To that point, if NSA actually shut down tomorrow, the Baltimore/DC metro area would collapse into financial ruin. Not exaggerating.
- tvanantwerp 11y ago
  Bring it on--maybe I could finally afford a house around here!
  - irishcoffee 11y ago
    I don't think you understand what I mean. The area would turn into Detroit, businesses would leave en masse or close down. I'm talking on the order of 150k people losing their job either immediately or when the govt. contractor they work for shuts down. You wouldn't want to buy a house in the area at that point.
gorgak 11y ago
yes im sure there are some very nice very unconscious people working for GCHQ and NSA. wasnt particularly having a go at the pawns. i know tho that they believe they are really doing essential work. they would have to.
- azraomega 11y ago
  I don't know about the work quality they have. I would expect they are highly bloated like any other big corps. I think the general feelings toward NSA or GCHQ should be directed at upper management who play games without accountability. Even though I do not disagree with their intention - which I do believe they are also trying to solve problems at hand, their approaches and lack of insight in technology can be damaging. I find people criticize government without a good understanding on how it works. A cumulative resentment due to lacking of actual person(s) to blame. Criticisms without better solutions and intention to help are just as lame as those incompetent upper managers trying to solve problems by repeating mistakes in the past.

briandear 11y ago

How many friends of yours were blown up by IRA or shot by the UVF? How many people lost arms and legs at Omagh? Sustainable communities would be great. Let's start by helping Hezbollah build co working spaces in Beirut. Maybe the next Twitter is just waiting to be created by former Shia militias. The next time ISIS cut off a head or Islamists kill someone like Theo Van Gogh for doing nothing more than making a movie, we should instead offer to build them a community garden and start a bike share program. Joking aside, the naivety of your comment is striking and reveals an exceptionally ignorant view of the world. The NSA and GCHQ certainly aren't perfect and politicians with their abuses don't help things, however those organizations have saved more people than you'd know and they are the reason we don't have 9-11s each week. Why do you think Osama Bin Laden's network was so ineffective in doing anything after 9-11? They could barely communicate. Bank accounts, cell phones, other electronic communications were nearly all off limits to Bin Laden's organization. Don't you think that is ISIS had the chance, they'd bomb downtown San Fransisco? I disagree with warrantless surveillance; I also disagree with police brutality; that doesn't mean that I want to eliminate the police. The world is full of bad people, evil people, monsters; serving single origin coffee and installing more windmills isn't going to change that. As far as being a traitor to hacker culture, grow up. You sound like ZeroCool or some other such childish caricature. Hacker culture is that of exploration, discovery and creation. It's about freedom. It isn't about anarchy or destroying the establishment. It certainly isn't about being a 21st century Neville Chamberlain. It's about standing up for what's right and speaking out against what's wrong -- and working to fix it. The NSA isn't perfect. The government isn't perfect. That doesn't mean we throw them out because they aren't working as well as they should.

UserRights 11y ago
The naivety of your comment is striking and reveals an exceptionally ignorant view of the world.
yAnonymous 11y ago
>they aren't working as well as they should That's putting it very lightly. In many ways, they're doing the opposite of what they're supposed to. Sometimes software is so broken that it's impossible to repair and throwing it out and starting new is the best way to go. It's the same with organizations and governments.

grkvlt 11y ago

> traitor to the hacker culture I don't understand the weird disconnect between HN and the intelligence community. It's almost the perfect job for a 'hacker' type: work with cutting edge technology and thousands of other incredibly intelligent people to try and out-think adversaries to gain access to their resources. You get to build defensive and offensive software to attack computer systems, and actually use it, something that would get you arrested if you did it personally. This was why I loved penetration testing, and an obvious extension of financial security would be working in national security. Yet somehow, these guys are 'evil' now, notwithstanding the IRA and otehrs in the UK, the 9/11 and 7/7 attacks, and so on - those were all perpetrated by _actual_ evil people, who deserved to be investigated and followed and found. And, looking at the leaked documents, there is a huge amount of auditing and checking - don't do this, because it's illegal, don't search for that because it's against the law - not the wild west free-for-all that people seem to imagine. Anyway, if I could get a clearance, I'm sure I'd love working for GCHQ or SIS in the infosec arena, as would most hackers. The cognitive diasonance is strong in many people!

RRRA 11y ago
This one sided view of their marketing pitch is exactly what's wrong with them and, to some extent HN in general, in it's Californian money & tech bubble... Seen from the outside, this kind of tech-trip-before-thinking-globally, or solutionism, is why people are upset, and rightly so. Snowden has shown, as many others have before and after, that they spy for economic and political gain against ally, they don't even respect local American's laws and could hardly be described as democratic or even accountable. I'm not saying there isn't a need for law enforcement or surveillance, but it has to be accountable, targeted and justified. Not simply a secret digital war machine disguised under the "omg, everything is now terrorism! Save the children! --fox" and cool marketing to entrap the young mind and throw them away once their time has passed... I wish I would want to work there, IF and only IF, they would fix all those issues. In the mean time, yes, they are an enemy of democracy, and a very hypocritical one at that. The public servants that work there deserve to be put to work for the greater good.
- caskance 11y ago

drzaiusapelord 11y ago

Oh man, I hope you aren't using SELinux then. Seriously, I hate how shrill stuff like this is automatically upvoted. It seems no one wants to have a mature view of what SIGINT means in the information age and in the age of endless cyberwar and terrorism. Thus far the view is "Lets let the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc do whatever they want (including invading their neighbors and annex lands), but if the US does anything, then we will only criticize them!" Uh okay. That not intellectual or sophisticated. Its kiddie outrage politics designed to garner upvotes.

gorgak 11y ago
shill kiddy what? i am an actual person, and that is my actual opinion. when i first wrote it, i thought fuck this account im going to get thrown off for this. but i wanted to say it because thats what i think. stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

fantnn 11y ago

get fucked dude every single country on the planet that has the capability is doing everything they can in cyberspace, and those who can't are trying to get there, might as well be the best at it.

Daviey 11y ago

Please don't presume that you are entitled to define what hacker culture is.

gorgak 11y ago
i didnt, its already been defined for many years.