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If you're in the United States you should call the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children[1]. They already work with internet service providers to hel

by VieElm 11y ago

If you're in the United States you should call the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children[1]. They already work with internet service providers to help identify unencrypted images depicting abuse transported over their network. They do this, I think, at an automated level. They should have the information you need. You should probably also call the FBI. http://www.missingkids.com/Contact http://www.missingkids.com/Contact

unclebucknasty 11y ago
But, should he/she contact legal counsel prior to contacting the FBI or anyone else? Personally, I think I would want to understand my potential culpability and other factors here.
- ender7 11y ago
  You should definitely consult legal counsel before and during talking to the authorities (which you should also do). The laws surrounding CP in particular are outdated and do not fit well into the digital world. For example, simply looking at CP can be a crime, which can make it difficult to report unless you know the right words to say. Always consult counsel in these cases.
  - some_furry 11y ago
    Definitely talk to legal counsel, but I can already tell you what the FBI told me when I asked them about this exact situation in a hypothetical: "You didn't ask for it or seek it out did you? Someone else uploaded it to your server and you don't want it? Report it to us, then delete it once we've collected our evidence." That's probably representative of the average agent's disposition, but make sure your ass is covered first.
    - balls187 11y ago
      > Report it to us, then delete it once we've collected our evidence. This seems very ominous.
      - steanne 11y ago
        not to me. ominous would be "we'll delete it once we've colected our evidence."
      - unclebucknasty 11y ago
        >This seems very ominous. It does. Likewise with the casual questioning of guilt and suggestion that his/her answers will simply be taken at face value.
        lifeformed 11y ago
        Why would they self report it then?
        stickfigure 11y ago
        You sound like someone that expects human beings in positions of authority to operate rationally.
        unclebucknasty 11y ago
        Guilty people also self-report crimes to which they are obviously close and for which they assume they'd fall under suspicion anyway. A fairly heavily trafficked, public website featuring CP images may well already be under investigation. In any case, self-reporting does not absolve one of suspicion; else it'd be easy to get away with pretty much anything.
        fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
        One might self-report if they were involved, suspected they were under investigation, and wanted to give the appearance that their involvement was unwitting.
      - Frondo 11y ago
        Why does that seem ominous? Genuine question. What would be a non-ominous response from the FBI in this situation?
  - unclebucknasty 11y ago
    Exactly. Beyond my own liability, the other question I would want answered is whether I could potentially be compelled to cooperate in some long-term investigation. If so, then what could that mean in terms of time and expense, and is it worth it?
    - DasIch 11y ago
      You are not seriously asking whether it's worth it to help law enforcement stop child abuse?
      - mschuster91 11y ago
        > "potentially be compelled to cooperate" In the US, you're likely to be left alone with all the associated costs. Help the cops all right, but if I do their work for them, I don't want to bear all the costs.
      - Goladus 11y ago
        > You are not seriously asking whether it's worth it to help law enforcement stop child abuse? How about you donate all your time, money and resources stopping child abuse.
        DasIch 11y ago
        Nobody is talking about donating all time, money and resources of anyone towards that goal. In any case if you create a platform (you possibly profit from) that is used to distribute child pornography you are faced with restrictions that the rest of the public understandbly isn't. I see no reason OP shouldn't be legally compelled to cooperate in an investigation in at least the same way a witness can be.
        Goladus 11y ago
        > Nobody is talking about donating all time, money and resources of anyone towards that goal. That is exactly what you implied by mocking the fact that the OP even asked the question. > I see no reason OP shouldn't be legally compelled to cooperate in an investigation in at least the same way a witness can be. This is irrelevant to the question of whether the OP should look out for personal interests. You implied that one should not be so selfish as to even ask the questions about personal risks and costs. You mocked the very idea that he might ask such a question. Before you make such a callous and judgmental comment, you should really think about what you would yourself sacrifice to cooperate with law enforcement. If you had, you would not have been so myopic. You would't question the seriousness of the question, even if you still thought that cooperation was necessary.
  - kw71 11y ago
    Is there an automatic script to thumbnail images? That simply multiplies the number of problem images in your data store.
kanamekun 11y ago
You should report any child porn to the CyberTipline, run by NCMEC: https://report.cybertip.org/index.htm https://report.cybertip.org/index.htm NCMEC has protocols around how to report the images/video, and how to delete it on your end. I would highly recommend against calling the FBI. You should work with NCMEC, as they have experience working with this stuff and their CyberTipline is one of the major ways that Congress has mandated that online service providers should report this stuff. Plus talking to law enforcement employed by the federal government has a host of risks associated with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements

by VieElm 11y ago

unclebucknasty 11y ago

But, should he/she contact legal counsel prior to contacting the FBI or anyone else? Personally, I think I would want to understand my potential culpability and other factors here.

ender7 11y ago
You should definitely consult legal counsel before and during talking to the authorities (which you should also do). The laws surrounding CP in particular are outdated and do not fit well into the digital world. For example, simply looking at CP can be a crime, which can make it difficult to report unless you know the right words to say. Always consult counsel in these cases.
- some_furry 11y ago
  Definitely talk to legal counsel, but I can already tell you what the FBI told me when I asked them about this exact situation in a hypothetical: "You didn't ask for it or seek it out did you? Someone else uploaded it to your server and you don't want it? Report it to us, then delete it once we've collected our evidence." That's probably representative of the average agent's disposition, but make sure your ass is covered first.
  - balls187 11y ago
    > Report it to us, then delete it once we've collected our evidence. This seems very ominous.
    - steanne 11y ago
      not to me. ominous would be "we'll delete it once we've colected our evidence."
    - unclebucknasty 11y ago
      >This seems very ominous. It does. Likewise with the casual questioning of guilt and suggestion that his/her answers will simply be taken at face value.
      - lifeformed 11y ago
        Why would they self report it then?
        stickfigure 11y ago
        You sound like someone that expects human beings in positions of authority to operate rationally.
        unclebucknasty 11y ago
        Guilty people also self-report crimes to which they are obviously close and for which they assume they'd fall under suspicion anyway. A fairly heavily trafficked, public website featuring CP images may well already be under investigation. In any case, self-reporting does not absolve one of suspicion; else it'd be easy to get away with pretty much anything.
        fnordfnordfnord 11y ago
        One might self-report if they were involved, suspected they were under investigation, and wanted to give the appearance that their involvement was unwitting.
    - Frondo 11y ago
      Why does that seem ominous? Genuine question. What would be a non-ominous response from the FBI in this situation?
- unclebucknasty 11y ago
  Exactly. Beyond my own liability, the other question I would want answered is whether I could potentially be compelled to cooperate in some long-term investigation. If so, then what could that mean in terms of time and expense, and is it worth it?
  - DasIch 11y ago
    You are not seriously asking whether it's worth it to help law enforcement stop child abuse?
    - mschuster91 11y ago
      > "potentially be compelled to cooperate" In the US, you're likely to be left alone with all the associated costs. Help the cops all right, but if I do their work for them, I don't want to bear all the costs.
    - Goladus 11y ago
      > You are not seriously asking whether it's worth it to help law enforcement stop child abuse? How about you donate all your time, money and resources stopping child abuse.
      - DasIch 11y ago
        Nobody is talking about donating all time, money and resources of anyone towards that goal. In any case if you create a platform (you possibly profit from) that is used to distribute child pornography you are faced with restrictions that the rest of the public understandbly isn't. I see no reason OP shouldn't be legally compelled to cooperate in an investigation in at least the same way a witness can be.
        Goladus 11y ago
        > Nobody is talking about donating all time, money and resources of anyone towards that goal. That is exactly what you implied by mocking the fact that the OP even asked the question. > I see no reason OP shouldn't be legally compelled to cooperate in an investigation in at least the same way a witness can be. This is irrelevant to the question of whether the OP should look out for personal interests. You implied that one should not be so selfish as to even ask the questions about personal risks and costs. You mocked the very idea that he might ask such a question. Before you make such a callous and judgmental comment, you should really think about what you would yourself sacrifice to cooperate with law enforcement. If you had, you would not have been so myopic. You would't question the seriousness of the question, even if you still thought that cooperation was necessary.
- kw71 11y ago
  Is there an automatic script to thumbnail images? That simply multiplies the number of problem images in your data store.

kanamekun 11y ago

You should report any child porn to the CyberTipline, run by NCMEC: https://report.cybertip.org/index.htm https://report.cybertip.org/index.htm NCMEC has protocols around how to report the images/video, and how to delete it on your end. I would highly recommend against calling the FBI. You should work with NCMEC, as they have experience working with this stuff and their CyberTipline is one of the major ways that Congress has mandated that online service providers should report this stuff. Plus talking to law enforcement employed by the federal government has a host of risks associated with it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements