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Supposing I was ok with directly alerting the authorities, which for some reason seems to be perhaps a bridge too far, how would I even go about that? Where's t

Supposing I was ok with directly alerting the authorities, which for some reason seems to be perhaps a bridge too far, how would I even go about that? Where's the "report pedophiles" REST API?

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CHaro 11y ago
I know there is something out there that allows you to report. I have not had experience with it so I cant really be more helpful in this direction. If you aren't comfortable reporting it, what is your banning process like currently?
iaw 11y ago
You would contact the FBI and give them the relevant information, perhaps in a spreadsheet with date/time information.
rhino369 11y ago
Why is it a bridge too far? I'd argue it's a civic duty. I'm sure the fbi has a tip line / email. Also, post on your site that you report child porno. That should scare people off.
- tbrownaw 11y ago
  Because making pictures -- however contrary to present sensibilities -- illegal is a bit too close to thoughtcrime?
  - openasocket 11y ago
    Producers and consumers of CP are not prosecuted for their thoughts, they are prosecuted for their actions. The subjects of these images suffer real and lasting psychological and physical damage.
    - vonklaus 11y ago
      Once again, these images don't contain meta-data stating the persons age, ages of consent are different around the world, someone can accidentally click something they didn't mean to or reasonably expected was not CP as almost the entire internet avidly sanitizes these images. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is "thought crime", but it can be non-obvious what is illegal. I am assuming the GP meant this and not that since these images already exist it is acceptable as the fantasy is in one's head, as that is not a reasonable excuse.
      - meowface 11y ago
        That argument doesn't apply here though. If someone is manually uploading an image of a child being raped to an image hosting website, there's no accident about it. Reporting someone who uploaded that image (i.e. someone who is distributing child pornography) is the only ethical and sensible option. Now, if someone is uploading an image of their 16-year-old girlfriend taking a nude picture of themselves, that's still illegal but more of an ethical gray area, in which case I could understand hesitation at reporting to authorities. But based on OP's description, it's the real bad stuff, so reporting seems to be a no-brainer.
        vonklaus 11y ago
        I am not crusading to uphold CP on the internet. It is interesting that you probably think my above comment was distasteful. But then you say: > if someone is uploading an image of their 16-year-old girlfriend That isn't a grey area, that is wrong unless you have consent[0]. My point is that it is hard to tell what is and isn't child porn(hence this thread in general) and that an 18 y/o could look younger. What I think is possible is that someone could upload photos of THEMSELVES when they are either in the US or even in a country where that is legal and it is non-obvious what the age is. Child Porn is fucking disgusting, I am not here to defend it. I am just pointing out how hard it is to identify it and that some people upload their own photos online. If you had a database that magically let you know if an image was illegal then of course I would say take it down. edit: [0]I meant this generally, not that it would be OK to do this if she was 16, but if your gf was of legal age and you posted pictures of her or the two of you together.
  - TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
    That doesn't make a lot of sense if the photos are records of real crimes.
    - Dylan16807 11y ago
      Photos of most kinds of disgusting crime are legal.
      - corin_ 11y ago
        And I would imagine a bunch of child porn photos don't technically show anything illegal (nothing illegal about a child being naked on their own, what's illegal is the taking of the photos for sexual gratification - don't ask me exactly where the line is there, though)
- elipsey 11y ago
  OP said "API", and refers to many thousands of images which need to be evaluated. It seems like he is pointing out here that this problem is unlikely to have a completely algorithmic solution, and if it does, the solution is probably not to spam the police with tens of thousands of criminal accusations against his customers that have never been vetted by a human. Whether or not this is moral is irrelevant if it's not scalable. How about automated flagging of images for moderator review, and thinking about ways to reward or remunerate the moderators? CV age detection should really be a thing, if it isn't already. Maybe there's an opportunity there if it's not already done, or way too hard?
  - JupiterMoon 11y ago
    > CV age detection should really be a thing, if it isn't already. Maybe there's an opportunity there if it's not already done, or way too hard? I think this falls into the category of impossible. It is a hard enough problem for the human eye/brain. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords
spencerhakim 11y ago
It's one thing to not want to report IPs that access the image, as it could be a complete accident. But why wouldn't you want to report someone who is actively trying to share such content?
fintler 11y ago
This is who many large (top 20) websites report to: http://www.missingkids.com/ http://www.missingkids.com/ Reporting to them is the same as reporting it to the FBI. They have various APIs you can use, but you probably need to contact them to make sure you meet the requirements.
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parfe 11y ago
I'm disgusted replying to you. A bridge too far? Anyway, here's your API https://developer-westus.microsoftmoderator.com/docs/services/ https://developer-westus.microsoftmoderator.com/docs/service... Guess you can be trendy AND help child rape victims.
- idlewords 11y ago
  I think you may be making unwarranted assumptions about the OP's reasons for not wanting to automatically, algorithmically contact police.
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- vonklaus 11y ago
  Just to provide a counterpoint, many people (myself included) believe free speech and privacy are fundamental in society, extending to the internet. Also, having a very US centric view of the world can make you forget that age of consent is arbitrary depending on where you are in the world with many european countries allowing for different laws. Also, it is quite difficult to ascertain the exact age of a subject given simply a photo. So while you are "disgusted" it is important to realize that this is a difficult problem both in identifying content and identifying perpetrators. That being said, if it is obvious that the image is CP and you have the IP address of someone who uploaded it, I couldn't imagine not passing on that information. Also, I would put a public disclaimer on the site indicating your policy. edit: before people start flaming me as a rape apologist I want to clarify that notifying the FBI and giving away your users public information is a strong action. It is warranted in the case of CP (one of the few things I personally think) but that, as this thread is indicative of, it is difficult to identify IRL.
  - victim129 11y ago
    First time ever posting on a throw away account, but this shit is too personal. As the victim of child molestation; this absolutely needs to be reported. Saying anything else is sympathy for the lowest filth in existence.

Supposing I was ok with directly alerting the authorities, which for some reason seems to be perhaps a bridge too far, how would I even go about that? Where's the "report pedophiles" REST API?

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CHaro 11y ago

I know there is something out there that allows you to report. I have not had experience with it so I cant really be more helpful in this direction. If you aren't comfortable reporting it, what is your banning process like currently?

iaw 11y ago

You would contact the FBI and give them the relevant information, perhaps in a spreadsheet with date/time information.

rhino369 11y ago

Why is it a bridge too far? I'd argue it's a civic duty. I'm sure the fbi has a tip line / email. Also, post on your site that you report child porno. That should scare people off.

tbrownaw 11y ago
Because making pictures -- however contrary to present sensibilities -- illegal is a bit too close to thoughtcrime?
- openasocket 11y ago
  Producers and consumers of CP are not prosecuted for their thoughts, they are prosecuted for their actions. The subjects of these images suffer real and lasting psychological and physical damage.
  - vonklaus 11y ago
    Once again, these images don't contain meta-data stating the persons age, ages of consent are different around the world, someone can accidentally click something they didn't mean to or reasonably expected was not CP as almost the entire internet avidly sanitizes these images. I wouldn't go as far as to say it is "thought crime", but it can be non-obvious what is illegal. I am assuming the GP meant this and not that since these images already exist it is acceptable as the fantasy is in one's head, as that is not a reasonable excuse.
    - meowface 11y ago
      That argument doesn't apply here though. If someone is manually uploading an image of a child being raped to an image hosting website, there's no accident about it. Reporting someone who uploaded that image (i.e. someone who is distributing child pornography) is the only ethical and sensible option. Now, if someone is uploading an image of their 16-year-old girlfriend taking a nude picture of themselves, that's still illegal but more of an ethical gray area, in which case I could understand hesitation at reporting to authorities. But based on OP's description, it's the real bad stuff, so reporting seems to be a no-brainer.
      - vonklaus 11y ago
        I am not crusading to uphold CP on the internet. It is interesting that you probably think my above comment was distasteful. But then you say: > if someone is uploading an image of their 16-year-old girlfriend That isn't a grey area, that is wrong unless you have consent[0]. My point is that it is hard to tell what is and isn't child porn(hence this thread in general) and that an 18 y/o could look younger. What I think is possible is that someone could upload photos of THEMSELVES when they are either in the US or even in a country where that is legal and it is non-obvious what the age is. Child Porn is fucking disgusting, I am not here to defend it. I am just pointing out how hard it is to identify it and that some people upload their own photos online. If you had a database that magically let you know if an image was illegal then of course I would say take it down. edit: [0]I meant this generally, not that it would be OK to do this if she was 16, but if your gf was of legal age and you posted pictures of her or the two of you together.
- TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
  That doesn't make a lot of sense if the photos are records of real crimes.
  - Dylan16807 11y ago
    Photos of most kinds of disgusting crime are legal.
    - corin_ 11y ago
      And I would imagine a bunch of child porn photos don't technically show anything illegal (nothing illegal about a child being naked on their own, what's illegal is the taking of the photos for sexual gratification - don't ask me exactly where the line is there, though)
elipsey 11y ago
OP said "API", and refers to many thousands of images which need to be evaluated. It seems like he is pointing out here that this problem is unlikely to have a completely algorithmic solution, and if it does, the solution is probably not to spam the police with tens of thousands of criminal accusations against his customers that have never been vetted by a human. Whether or not this is moral is irrelevant if it's not scalable. How about automated flagging of images for moderator review, and thinking about ways to reward or remunerate the moderators? CV age detection should really be a thing, if it isn't already. Maybe there's an opportunity there if it's not already done, or way too hard?
- JupiterMoon 11y ago
  > CV age detection should really be a thing, if it isn't already. Maybe there's an opportunity there if it's not already done, or way too hard? I think this falls into the category of impossible. It is a hard enough problem for the human eye/brain. see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traci_Lords

spencerhakim 11y ago

It's one thing to not want to report IPs that access the image, as it could be a complete accident. But why wouldn't you want to report someone who is actively trying to share such content?

fintler 11y ago

This is who many large (top 20) websites report to: http://www.missingkids.com/ http://www.missingkids.com/ Reporting to them is the same as reporting it to the FBI. They have various APIs you can use, but you probably need to contact them to make sure you meet the requirements.

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parfe 11y ago

I'm disgusted replying to you. A bridge too far? Anyway, here's your API https://developer-westus.microsoftmoderator.com/docs/services/ https://developer-westus.microsoftmoderator.com/docs/service... Guess you can be trendy AND help child rape victims.

idlewords 11y ago
I think you may be making unwarranted assumptions about the OP's reasons for not wanting to automatically, algorithmically contact police.
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vonklaus 11y ago
Just to provide a counterpoint, many people (myself included) believe free speech and privacy are fundamental in society, extending to the internet. Also, having a very US centric view of the world can make you forget that age of consent is arbitrary depending on where you are in the world with many european countries allowing for different laws. Also, it is quite difficult to ascertain the exact age of a subject given simply a photo. So while you are "disgusted" it is important to realize that this is a difficult problem both in identifying content and identifying perpetrators. That being said, if it is obvious that the image is CP and you have the IP address of someone who uploaded it, I couldn't imagine not passing on that information. Also, I would put a public disclaimer on the site indicating your policy. edit: before people start flaming me as a rape apologist I want to clarify that notifying the FBI and giving away your users public information is a strong action. It is warranted in the case of CP (one of the few things I personally think) but that, as this thread is indicative of, it is difficult to identify IRL.
- victim129 11y ago
  First time ever posting on a throw away account, but this shit is too personal. As the victim of child molestation; this absolutely needs to be reported. Saying anything else is sympathy for the lowest filth in existence.