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Yes, the whole thing stunk like gamergate imo. I honestly don't care about whatever minor offense pao did, I wanted her to stay just so that the vitriol and mis

Yes, the whole thing stunk like gamergate imo. I honestly don't care about whatever minor offense pao did, I wanted her to stay just so that the vitriol and misogyny on the front page attacking her would not "win".

Uhhrrr 11y ago
It's very much like GamerGate. There is an attempt to deflect an overwhelming amount of legitimate criticism by pointing to a few trolls and characterizing all of it as "racist and misogynist".
- killface 11y ago
  Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc. Even if it was a bunch of racist/misogynist people, you have to consider that despite the messenger, the message might be valid. That's what being open-minded means.
  - Uhhrrr 11y ago
    I don't even think people care about that stuff. The interesting accounting is on her husband's plate. The KP stuff only affected things at Reddit when Reddit started to do funny things to stories about it. Really, her Rampart-level impedance mismatch with the community was enough.
  - LGBT_2000 11y ago
    >Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc. For god's sakes, stop it. This blatant sexism and double standards is disgusting. If Ellen were a man, never in a million years would they be expected to bear responsibility for their spouses' misdeeds or attacked for who they slept with (indeed, they'd be getting high-fived for being a "womanizer" or "stud").
    - killface 11y ago
      There's a difference between a double standard and no standard whatsoever.
- comrh 11y ago
  And just like GamerGate the first reply to this is attacking a woman about her sex life.
  - venomsnake 11y ago
    Well, gamers are gamers - in games everything is permitted as long as it brings victory. Some of that attitude spills over IRL. We always try to find glitches, exploits, cheats and cheese, imbas and so on. We do so in debates and everywhere else.
  - coleparm 11y ago
    Drop the sex life garbage, people go after men for their sex lives all the time. Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Bob Packwood, Brett Favre, Mark Hurd all spring to mind. Pointing out someone, who happens to be a women, is a shitty person doesn't make criticism misogynistic, and, IMHO, it's sexist to excuse them from criticism / repercussions simply because they're women. It's a bullshit tactic. "Hey, that women pushed a car full of kids into a lake!", "Why are you such a misogynist?"
mxfh 11y ago
Ideologist will act like ideologists, they don't care about the facts, they care about their narrative. If the original narrative isn't strong enough they just fabricate one to legitimize their hate. So caving in to those groups prevents nothing, it just makes things more toxic. As a tactical move, bringing in Steve Huffman might not have been the worst decision though.

Uhhrrr 11y ago

It's very much like GamerGate. There is an attempt to deflect an overwhelming amount of legitimate criticism by pointing to a few trolls and characterizing all of it as "racist and misogynist".

killface 11y ago
Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc. Even if it was a bunch of racist/misogynist people, you have to consider that despite the messenger, the message might be valid. That's what being open-minded means.
- Uhhrrr 11y ago
  I don't even think people care about that stuff. The interesting accounting is on her husband's plate. The KP stuff only affected things at Reddit when Reddit started to do funny things to stories about it. Really, her Rampart-level impedance mismatch with the community was enough.
- LGBT_2000 11y ago
  >Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc. For god's sakes, stop it. This blatant sexism and double standards is disgusting. If Ellen were a man, never in a million years would they be expected to bear responsibility for their spouses' misdeeds or attacked for who they slept with (indeed, they'd be getting high-fived for being a "womanizer" or "stud").
  - killface 11y ago
    There's a difference between a double standard and no standard whatsoever.
comrh 11y ago
And just like GamerGate the first reply to this is attacking a woman about her sex life.
- venomsnake 11y ago
  Well, gamers are gamers - in games everything is permitted as long as it brings victory. Some of that attitude spills over IRL. We always try to find glitches, exploits, cheats and cheese, imbas and so on. We do so in debates and everywhere else.
- coleparm 11y ago
  Drop the sex life garbage, people go after men for their sex lives all the time. Bill Clinton, Anthony Weiner, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, Bob Packwood, Brett Favre, Mark Hurd all spring to mind. Pointing out someone, who happens to be a women, is a shitty person doesn't make criticism misogynistic, and, IMHO, it's sexist to excuse them from criticism / repercussions simply because they're women. It's a bullshit tactic. "Hey, that women pushed a car full of kids into a lake!", "Why are you such a misogynist?"

mxfh 11y ago

Ideologist will act like ideologists, they don't care about the facts, they care about their narrative. If the original narrative isn't strong enough they just fabricate one to legitimize their hate. So caving in to those groups prevents nothing, it just makes things more toxic. As a tactical move, bringing in Steve Huffman might not have been the worst decision though.