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The Marshall plan was preceded by the Morgenthau plan which would have destroyed Germany's ability to ever create war again, reducing Germany to subsistence lev

by VieElm 11y ago

The Marshall plan was preceded by the Morgenthau plan which would have destroyed Germany's ability to ever create war again, reducing Germany to subsistence level farming. The Allied occupiers actually began destroying the German infrastructure, but it didn't work out however as Europe's economy had historically depended on Germany's industrial base and America and Western Europe needed to counter growing Soviet power in the first beginnings of the cold war. It other words it had nothing to do with "deserved", Germany was rebuilt out of strategic necessity to face two looming threats to international stability and peace.

chm 11y ago
I'm currently playing my first game of Diplomacy. Anyone with the slightest interest in world politics should play it once. It's teaching me more about how the world works than 2 years of reading The Economist (sadly canceled due to lack of time). I now associate a feeling and experience to the words "strategic necessity".
greekswithdebt 11y ago
Germany was always an industrious country. Greece is a tax dodging, spendaholic, big-time-borrowing-then-avoiding-repayment country. How much cash can they continue to pour into that bottomless pit? Let them leave the euro, let them have their drachma, they need to sort out the real problems first.
- irixusr 11y ago
  Historically, Germany has always been a militaristic country who have repeatedly tried to take over the world (however childish that sounds). Last time around they killed several dozens of millions of people. Today German industry still makes weapons used to kill people around the world. While the Greeks haven't really bothered anyone except the Turks and a little bit the Bulgarians. Too busy drinking ouzo I guess. So the Greeks leave the euro. And we nuke the Germans to ensure the future of humanity? Or perhaps, instead of bailing them out, the Allies should have made Germany into an agrarian society with the same result. See how nasty this game becomes?
  - VieElm 11y ago
    > Historically, Germany has always been a militaristic country who have repeatedly tried to take over the world France invaded all of Europe starting in 1803, and pretty much all of the other European powers invaded all the continents of the world, also known as "colonization". Anyway, this thread is such a shit storm of stupidity, ignorance and irate debates that at this point that I'm flagging the entire thing and moving on.

by VieElm 11y ago

chm 11y ago

I'm currently playing my first game of Diplomacy. Anyone with the slightest interest in world politics should play it once. It's teaching me more about how the world works than 2 years of reading The Economist (sadly canceled due to lack of time). I now associate a feeling and experience to the words "strategic necessity".

greekswithdebt 11y ago

Germany was always an industrious country. Greece is a tax dodging, spendaholic, big-time-borrowing-then-avoiding-repayment country. How much cash can they continue to pour into that bottomless pit? Let them leave the euro, let them have their drachma, they need to sort out the real problems first.

irixusr 11y ago
Historically, Germany has always been a militaristic country who have repeatedly tried to take over the world (however childish that sounds). Last time around they killed several dozens of millions of people. Today German industry still makes weapons used to kill people around the world. While the Greeks haven't really bothered anyone except the Turks and a little bit the Bulgarians. Too busy drinking ouzo I guess. So the Greeks leave the euro. And we nuke the Germans to ensure the future of humanity? Or perhaps, instead of bailing them out, the Allies should have made Germany into an agrarian society with the same result. See how nasty this game becomes?
- VieElm 11y ago
  > Historically, Germany has always been a militaristic country who have repeatedly tried to take over the world France invaded all of Europe starting in 1803, and pretty much all of the other European powers invaded all the continents of the world, also known as "colonization". Anyway, this thread is such a shit storm of stupidity, ignorance and irate debates that at this point that I'm flagging the entire thing and moving on.