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Does anyone know why she was fired? Few things get you fired immediately, so I guess it's something quite bad. As much as I agree with the IamA moderators about

Does anyone know why she was fired? Few things get you fired immediately, so I guess it's something quite bad. As much as I agree with the IamA moderators about shitty decisions at Reddit, their owners might deserve credit for not disclosing whatever Victoria did to get fired.

_dark_matter_ 11y ago
Given how bad the public reaction has been, if it was something "quite bad", one would think they would tell people about it so as to pacify the crowds. (I understand there could be repercussions for doing this but it would seem to be worth the risk.)
Iuz 11y ago
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/reddit-victoria-taylor-firing-jesse-jackson-ama http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/reddit-victoria-tayl...
- danso 11y ago
  > One of the criticisms of the Jackson AMA was that, in some cases, his responses seemed out of sync with the questions. But this wasn't the standard AMA format, wherein an interviewee reads questions off the screen and types in answers directly. As often happens with other celebrity AMAs, Taylor selected Redditors' questions and asked them to Jackson live. She then transcribed his verbal responses and posted them on his behalf. Yet Jackson's AMA was even more complicated than usual because it was also one of the first in a forthcoming series of video AMAs to be released this fall. In this setup, he answered the questions in front of a camera in a ballroom in Los Angeles' Hyatt Century Plaza while Taylor communicated with him remotely from New York... > ...Taylor asked Jackson the upvoted question despite its confrontational nature. It was hard to blame her, since Reddit does call it "Ask Me Anything." Jackson's response was criticized as rambling and nonsensical, and to an extent it was, but the critics may not have realized that he didn't hear the full question. Out of politeness, perhaps, Taylor had paraphrased it to omit the most incendiary language. It's also worth noting that Taylor's transcriptions, while generally accurate, were not verbatim. As the Mother Jones article quotes Reddit's execs as saying, this purportedly didn't have anything to do with Victoria's firing. While I still think there's a need for a community leader like her, I wasn't aware how much of her job was being the transcriber and translator between celebrity and fans. Frankly, I think Reddit's IAmA would be much better off without this kind of arrangement...this isn't a statement against Victoria's performance, but against the whole dog-and-pony show in the first place. IAmA's give the appearance that the questionee is deciding which things to answer...as the MJ article describes, not only was a Reddit employee acting as a filter, but was paraphrasing both question and answer. That to me kills a bit of the spirit of Reddit IAmA's...again, there's obviously a need for Victoria in a community leader role, but I'm happy if IAmA's go on without a Reddit employee acting as a translator for celebrities. If that means fewer celebrities do IAmA's, whooopteedoo. The best IAmA's have always been the non-celebrities, like the vacuum repair technician, or the woman who fought off a bear who ripped her face off, or the guy with two penises.
  - thaumasiotes 11y ago
    > It's also worth noting that Taylor's transcriptions, while generally accurate, were not verbatim. This is an incredibly dishonest thing to say. There's only one reason to publish someone's verbal responses verbatim, which is that you're trying to make them look like an idiot. Someone who gave verbal interviews and published the responses verbatim would be totally unfit for their job.
    - dwmtm 11y ago
      So television interviews...?
      - thaumasiotes 11y ago
        Television interviews aren't read, they're watched (and more relevantly, heard). Transcriptions of television interviews aren't verbatim unless they're made for the purpose of research.
    - danso 11y ago
      I think "incredibly dishonest" is overstating it. I've worked in journalism, I know that what we print as reporters is often not "verbatim", such as not including "ums" and ahs". I'm assuming that the writer of the MJ piece has also done enough journalism and so when he says that things weren't verbatim, it's possible he is applying this same level of tolerance and standard.
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ajford 11y ago
Given the recent push for monetization of Reddit, it's also entirely possible that she put her foot down against some kind of hair-brained scheme for monetizing AMAs, and was summarily dismissed for refusing to go with the flow.
- peu4000 11y ago
  It's also possible that she murdered 14 children, but it's all conjecture unless an actual reason is released.
ritchiea 11y ago
You say "few things get you fired immediately" but I'd say it depends. If you're at a big relatively stable company few things get you fired immediately. If the company is small or in flux (as Reddit appears to be) it can be a lot easier to be fired quickly.
- SilasX 11y ago
  But that doesn't change the logic of how stupid it would be to fire someone with so many loose ends and contacts depending on her. An employee would need to commit some very serious transgression to justify the urgency, and the destruction that results from such abrupt removal. "Disagreement about the general direction of a feature" isn't even close to meeting that standard. It was extremely irresponsible.
wnevets 11y ago
This is probably just a rumor but I recall reading it she wasn't comfortable with the monetization strategy of that subreddit
Zikes 11y ago
Rumors abound. The most prominent rumor is that it was because of a bad public reaction to a Jesse Jackson AMA. Some leaked info from a supposed disgruntled Reddit admin says it's because Ellen Pao pressured Victoria into pushing an NDA + promise of a cut of future sales resulting from AMAs on the AMA subjects, which Victoria disagreed with a little too loudly.
- nightpool 11y ago
  The moderators of IAmA have said that they believe the decision was made to fire her before the Jesse Jackson AMA happened. EDIT: whoops, didn't mean to downvote you. mobile misclick :(
  - Zikes 11y ago
    Which is still speculation.
    - nightpool 11y ago
      Sorry, I was a little vague. The mods of r/IAmA have been in contact with reddit admins about the situation, and from how the timeline was explained to them by reddit staff, the decision was made before the Jesse Jackson AMA even happened. https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bw7ms/top_mod_of_riama_explains_why_its_been_set_to/csqa8bj https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bw7ms/top_mod_of_r...
ihuman 11y ago
No one outside of the company knows right now. To protect her privacy, they said that they are not going to publicly say why. All the current explanations are just rumors and speculation.
emodendroket 11y ago
They claim they wanted to change the positions they had altogether so maybe not.
Someone1234 11y ago
I believe she claimed she did't know why it occurred. But she has barely said a word about it. Reddit has actually terminated a lot of their own employees in the last year or so, so actually in this case her getting suddenly let go isn't that strange. Reddit seems to be trying to move IAMAs into some kind of team structure (ama@reddit.com, etc).
ForEnglandJames 11y ago
It's a personnel matter, so reddit will never tell you, and she's likely bound by an agreement to never disclose. My guess is not censoring the Jesse Jackson AMA when the users got nasty. I have another comment on this site that details what I suspect went down. You can search it out if you're really curious--I don't know how to permalink here.
Balgair 11y ago
Not as of yet. It's all being kept above board, so maybe there are NDA type things preventing anyone form talking. Also, last night a series of posts on 4chan by a person claiming to be an admin at reddit said that more changes are afoot, including heavy facebook integration. As with everything on 4chan, it is likely a steaming pile of BS: https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3cih4x/reddit_employee_leaks_info_to_b/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3cih4x/reddit_employ...
ianhawes 11y ago
Not confirmed, but the rumor was because she was based in NYC and Pao demanded that all employees move to SF. There was additional speculation that it was the result of the (failed) Jesse Jackson AMA, but I'm doubtful of that.
haberman 11y ago
I wonder if the authors of this NYT piece (the Reddit mods) know what happened (or at least know her side of it). I wonder if they are in communication with her. By making this such a high-profile thing, they draw attention to it, which could hurt her if the story eventually comes out and it's unflattering to her.
wvenable 11y ago
On the same day the admin responsible for reddit gifts was always let go. And over the last 6 months there has been a lot of turnover.

_dark_matter_ 11y ago

Given how bad the public reaction has been, if it was something "quite bad", one would think they would tell people about it so as to pacify the crowds. (I understand there could be repercussions for doing this but it would seem to be worth the risk.)

Iuz 11y ago

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/reddit-victoria-taylor-firing-jesse-jackson-ama http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/reddit-victoria-tayl...

danso 11y ago
> One of the criticisms of the Jackson AMA was that, in some cases, his responses seemed out of sync with the questions. But this wasn't the standard AMA format, wherein an interviewee reads questions off the screen and types in answers directly. As often happens with other celebrity AMAs, Taylor selected Redditors' questions and asked them to Jackson live. She then transcribed his verbal responses and posted them on his behalf. Yet Jackson's AMA was even more complicated than usual because it was also one of the first in a forthcoming series of video AMAs to be released this fall. In this setup, he answered the questions in front of a camera in a ballroom in Los Angeles' Hyatt Century Plaza while Taylor communicated with him remotely from New York... > ...Taylor asked Jackson the upvoted question despite its confrontational nature. It was hard to blame her, since Reddit does call it "Ask Me Anything." Jackson's response was criticized as rambling and nonsensical, and to an extent it was, but the critics may not have realized that he didn't hear the full question. Out of politeness, perhaps, Taylor had paraphrased it to omit the most incendiary language. It's also worth noting that Taylor's transcriptions, while generally accurate, were not verbatim. As the Mother Jones article quotes Reddit's execs as saying, this purportedly didn't have anything to do with Victoria's firing. While I still think there's a need for a community leader like her, I wasn't aware how much of her job was being the transcriber and translator between celebrity and fans. Frankly, I think Reddit's IAmA would be much better off without this kind of arrangement...this isn't a statement against Victoria's performance, but against the whole dog-and-pony show in the first place. IAmA's give the appearance that the questionee is deciding which things to answer...as the MJ article describes, not only was a Reddit employee acting as a filter, but was paraphrasing both question and answer. That to me kills a bit of the spirit of Reddit IAmA's...again, there's obviously a need for Victoria in a community leader role, but I'm happy if IAmA's go on without a Reddit employee acting as a translator for celebrities. If that means fewer celebrities do IAmA's, whooopteedoo. The best IAmA's have always been the non-celebrities, like the vacuum repair technician, or the woman who fought off a bear who ripped her face off, or the guy with two penises.
- thaumasiotes 11y ago
  > It's also worth noting that Taylor's transcriptions, while generally accurate, were not verbatim. This is an incredibly dishonest thing to say. There's only one reason to publish someone's verbal responses verbatim, which is that you're trying to make them look like an idiot. Someone who gave verbal interviews and published the responses verbatim would be totally unfit for their job.
  - dwmtm 11y ago
    So television interviews...?
    - thaumasiotes 11y ago
      Television interviews aren't read, they're watched (and more relevantly, heard). Transcriptions of television interviews aren't verbatim unless they're made for the purpose of research.
  - danso 11y ago
    I think "incredibly dishonest" is overstating it. I've worked in journalism, I know that what we print as reporters is often not "verbatim", such as not including "ums" and ahs". I'm assuming that the writer of the MJ piece has also done enough journalism and so when he says that things weren't verbatim, it's possible he is applying this same level of tolerance and standard.

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ajford 11y ago

Given the recent push for monetization of Reddit, it's also entirely possible that she put her foot down against some kind of hair-brained scheme for monetizing AMAs, and was summarily dismissed for refusing to go with the flow.

peu4000 11y ago
It's also possible that she murdered 14 children, but it's all conjecture unless an actual reason is released.

ritchiea 11y ago

You say "few things get you fired immediately" but I'd say it depends. If you're at a big relatively stable company few things get you fired immediately. If the company is small or in flux (as Reddit appears to be) it can be a lot easier to be fired quickly.

SilasX 11y ago
But that doesn't change the logic of how stupid it would be to fire someone with so many loose ends and contacts depending on her. An employee would need to commit some very serious transgression to justify the urgency, and the destruction that results from such abrupt removal. "Disagreement about the general direction of a feature" isn't even close to meeting that standard. It was extremely irresponsible.

wnevets 11y ago

This is probably just a rumor but I recall reading it she wasn't comfortable with the monetization strategy of that subreddit

Zikes 11y ago

Rumors abound. The most prominent rumor is that it was because of a bad public reaction to a Jesse Jackson AMA. Some leaked info from a supposed disgruntled Reddit admin says it's because Ellen Pao pressured Victoria into pushing an NDA + promise of a cut of future sales resulting from AMAs on the AMA subjects, which Victoria disagreed with a little too loudly.

nightpool 11y ago
The moderators of IAmA have said that they believe the decision was made to fire her before the Jesse Jackson AMA happened. EDIT: whoops, didn't mean to downvote you. mobile misclick :(
- Zikes 11y ago
  Which is still speculation.
  - nightpool 11y ago
    Sorry, I was a little vague. The mods of r/IAmA have been in contact with reddit admins about the situation, and from how the timeline was explained to them by reddit staff, the decision was made before the Jesse Jackson AMA even happened. https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bw7ms/top_mod_of_riama_explains_why_its_been_set_to/csqa8bj https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/3bw7ms/top_mod_of_r...

ihuman 11y ago

No one outside of the company knows right now. To protect her privacy, they said that they are not going to publicly say why. All the current explanations are just rumors and speculation.

emodendroket 11y ago

They claim they wanted to change the positions they had altogether so maybe not.

Someone1234 11y ago

I believe she claimed she did't know why it occurred. But she has barely said a word about it. Reddit has actually terminated a lot of their own employees in the last year or so, so actually in this case her getting suddenly let go isn't that strange. Reddit seems to be trying to move IAMAs into some kind of team structure (ama@reddit.com, etc).

ForEnglandJames 11y ago

It's a personnel matter, so reddit will never tell you, and she's likely bound by an agreement to never disclose. My guess is not censoring the Jesse Jackson AMA when the users got nasty. I have another comment on this site that details what I suspect went down. You can search it out if you're really curious--I don't know how to permalink here.

Balgair 11y ago

Not as of yet. It's all being kept above board, so maybe there are NDA type things preventing anyone form talking. Also, last night a series of posts on 4chan by a person claiming to be an admin at reddit said that more changes are afoot, including heavy facebook integration. As with everything on 4chan, it is likely a steaming pile of BS: https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3cih4x/reddit_employee_leaks_info_to_b/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3cih4x/reddit_employ...

ianhawes 11y ago

Not confirmed, but the rumor was because she was based in NYC and Pao demanded that all employees move to SF. There was additional speculation that it was the result of the (failed) Jesse Jackson AMA, but I'm doubtful of that.

haberman 11y ago

I wonder if the authors of this NYT piece (the Reddit mods) know what happened (or at least know her side of it). I wonder if they are in communication with her. By making this such a high-profile thing, they draw attention to it, which could hurt her if the story eventually comes out and it's unflattering to her.

wvenable 11y ago

On the same day the admin responsible for reddit gifts was always let go. And over the last 6 months there has been a lot of turnover.