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it baffles me how devs can work for those rates... no wonder I still see Ads for C++ contracts in Melbourne for $50/hr for a mid-senior level job... clearly th

it baffles me how devs can work for those rates... no wonder I still see Ads for C++ contracts in Melbourne for $50/hr for a mid-senior level job... clearly there are people who work at those rates... the biggest thing holding dev salaries back is cause many devs love what they do..

shoo 11y ago
I guess it depends where you're living, and what opportunities you are aware of - or are available to you - and what your next best alternative is. If you really need the money and don't have another option then working for a very modest quantity of money sure seems like a much better deal than working for none at all.
- carrotleads 11y ago
  That may well be the case but a dev should not trade his/her time at similar rates to other skills that didn't take much time/effort to learn.. dev skill isn't a common one, it takes a special kind of mindset to be a half decent dev...
- k__ 11y ago
  Also the unawareness happens in the other direction too. I know a bunch of freelancers who get paid a ridiculous amount of money for simple web-dev stuff, just because the companies they work for don't know anything about this and are simply happy to have found a dev.
ionised 11y ago
Developer roles in the UK pay very poorly for the most part. We don't seem to be valued much at all.
J_Darnley 11y ago
Oh I'm sorry that we can't all live in the programmers' utopia that you apparently inhabit where the pay is a thousand dollars per keystroke. Be thankful you have a fucking job! I would work for $10, not per hour just ten dollars, because it would be more than the zero I earn right now.
- carrotleads 11y ago
  I understand it is a relative... but the rates should be similar to what is earnt by other professionals.. in this case the rates seemed to be at burger flipping ones for the region.. basically I feel lots of devs are underselling themselves..
omouse 11y ago
because we're constantly told that we're lucky to be working on something cool that we usually love to do. we're lucky to have air-conditioned offices and internet access all day.

shoo 11y ago

I guess it depends where you're living, and what opportunities you are aware of - or are available to you - and what your next best alternative is. If you really need the money and don't have another option then working for a very modest quantity of money sure seems like a much better deal than working for none at all.

carrotleads 11y ago
That may well be the case but a dev should not trade his/her time at similar rates to other skills that didn't take much time/effort to learn.. dev skill isn't a common one, it takes a special kind of mindset to be a half decent dev...
k__ 11y ago
Also the unawareness happens in the other direction too. I know a bunch of freelancers who get paid a ridiculous amount of money for simple web-dev stuff, just because the companies they work for don't know anything about this and are simply happy to have found a dev.

ionised 11y ago

Developer roles in the UK pay very poorly for the most part. We don't seem to be valued much at all.

J_Darnley 11y ago

Oh I'm sorry that we can't all live in the programmers' utopia that you apparently inhabit where the pay is a thousand dollars per keystroke. Be thankful you have a fucking job! I would work for $10, not per hour just ten dollars, because it would be more than the zero I earn right now.

carrotleads 11y ago
I understand it is a relative... but the rates should be similar to what is earnt by other professionals.. in this case the rates seemed to be at burger flipping ones for the region.. basically I feel lots of devs are underselling themselves..

omouse 11y ago

because we're constantly told that we're lucky to be working on something cool that we usually love to do. we're lucky to have air-conditioned offices and internet access all day.