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I think there's a ton of economic incentive for the rich to leave China and move to the US. In fact, I'd argue it's happening now already, regardless of the pe
by yishanl 11y ago
I think there's a ton of economic incentive for the rich to leave China and move to the US. In fact, I'd argue it's happening now already, regardless of the performance of the Chinese economy.
Some observations:
- The luxury goods that the rich in China are looking for are much cheaper here in US. The international students I know at school go on insane shopping sprees at the Apple/Sony/Microsoft stores since how "cheap" all the products are compared to the 1.5-2+X markups they have to pay back home. I've seen some classmates fill their suitcases with luxury brand clothing, Apple computers, iPads, Playstations, Xbox, to all bring home and share with their families.
- Assets in the US are much more appealing options in terms of investments, especially real estate/property. There's been a lot of stuff written up in NYT about this. I've seen the same things here in South Bay (Mountain View, Cupertino) where brand new townhouses get snatched up instantly by wealthy families from China that can commit that much $ in such a short amount of time. Being able to pay for your house in cash moves you towards the front of the line.
- Avoiding the whole "corrupted officials with lots of $ in bribes" anecdote (despite it being somewhat true from the crazy stories that I've heard from friends in China), it is much easier to spend the money here without worry of alerting the Chinese government. Especially if you're paying for a lot of your things in cash. Spending money in a lavish manner in China raises a lot of eyebrows.
- Not too knowledgable on this aspect, but apparently there's the loophole where if you bring aging parents in China over to live in America, they can qualify for senior benefits from the US government. They come, despite never having worked in the US, and get monthly checks to cash that are substantial enough to live on. Don't know enough about this to elaborate and I'm a little skeptical about this, but have heard a lot about this.
- America is so much more attractive than China. A lot of the wealthy international students I met in college had very tracked and relatively stress-free lives growing up. They never had to study for or take the gaokao, which is the infamous college entrance exam, since they knew from early on that they would be coming to the US for their college education. A lot of them do try and swing for jobs here after graduation as well, since the pay is substantially higher than in China. Heard this sentiment from a lot of Hong Kong residents.
Curious if anyone has heard/observed similar.
- marincounty 11y agoI don't think anyone will respond out of fear of being labeled a -------? I will only comment on buying realestate in the U.S.? I believe realestate should only be bought by U.S. citizens. Right now all a foreigner needs is a individual tax number, and money. We have no real idea how that foreign money was obtained? Or, who cares? http://www.zillow.com/intl/en/foreign-buyers-guide/ http://www.zillow.com/intl/en/foreign-buyers-guide/
- yishanl 11y agoSure. Although I do think if people don't respond out of fear of being labeled, then it's a shame because it is possible to discuss this topic without being portrayed as a xenophobe/racist. A lot are just observations I've heard and seen, especially when I was a chaperone for children from some of China's elite a few years ago. Interesting on limiting real estate to only citizens. Although I doubt homeowner(s) who are selling care about where the money comes from, especially if it's upfront and comes in cash. And if you look at some of the prices for these townhouses/homes in South Bay suburbs, I imagine it'd be hard to say no.
- sneak 11y ago"A foreigner". Why do you care where they were born? If where someone was born is so important to you, why not extend it down to the state level and only let people buy in the state in which they are issued papers from? This is indeed thinly veiled nationalism/racism. In a properly functioning society, you should have no real idea how the domestic money was obtained, either. It's none of your business as a seller.
- vikiomega9 11y agoIs nationalism a bad thing? (Required reading is much appreciated.)
- akssri 11y agohttp://www.gutenberg.org/files/40766/40766-h/40766-h.htm http://www.gutenberg.org/files/40766/40766-h/40766-h.htm TLDR;depends.