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So your ISP is not providing you an internet access ? That's lame.

sp332 11y ago
It's usually a market segmentation strategy. You have to pay for a "business" connection if you want to run a server. Also, blocking standard email ports on residential connections is a common anti-spam measure.
- hrbrtglm 11y ago
  I'm fine with that, but then it is not an ISP.
  - lmm 11y ago
    Words mean what people use them for. Sure it's technically only 65534/65535 of an ISP, but that's not a very useful way to communicate with people about the issue.
    - hrbrtglm 11y ago
      Not allowing to run servers from home is especially vague. So it's not like if only port 25 is blocked Are you allowed to run a game server, ftp server, web server, ssh server ? Words first mean what is written in a dictionary or encyclopedia. Internet : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet If you are not allowed to run server, they are WSP (Web Service Provider) not ISP. But if you are OK with ISP not providing internet, I'm sure you are fine with unlimited limited or throttled after x, 24/24 access between 9-5 and secured http page as long as there is a padlock favicon ...
      - lmm 11y ago
        > Words first mean what is written in a dictionary or encyclopedia. Nope - this is an important difference between English and other languages. If what people say differs from what's in the dictionary, it's the dictionary that will change, not the people.
- rakoo 11y ago
  It's an easy anti-spam measure for sure, but there's no reason you (as the user) shouldn't have a checkbox allowing you to remove this limitation. Otherwise it's not a full internet access.
  - Nadya 11y ago
    They mean if you send mail to anyone else - their spam filter will block you for having a residential IP. Email is a bit less useful when everyone has you auto-blocked for being 'spam'.
    - sp332 11y ago
      I'd forgotten about that part. Yes, having an IP from a pool marked as "dynamic" is enough to get put on many spam blacklists.
  - vidarh 11y ago
    There's a good reason: The demand for it is infinitesimally tiny, and the hassle of doing so (and having to deal with monitoring whether or not you end up being a spam source) is an extra cost. An argument that it's not "full" internet access will get you nowhere - very few consumer internet subscriptions are "full" internet access in the sense that they are totally unrestricted - most have very severe restrictions on e.g. running servers and many other things.
- jcfrei 11y ago
  I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Are you saying it's a common thing for all "ISPs" in the US to block outgoing traffic on port 25 (and allow incoming traffic for Outlook et al.)? Or do you simply mean that most email providers will block incoming mails from residential IP adresses?
  - sp332 11y ago
    The first. I don't know exactly how many ISPs do it, but it's pretty common. http://www.vtdesignworks.com/blog/comcast-xfinity-port-25-blocked-change-to-465-or-587-for-outgoing-email-smtp http://www.vtdesignworks.com/blog/comcast-xfinity-port-25-bl...
  - spc476 11y ago
    My provider (BellSouth or AT&T or whatever they're calling themselves this week) block incoming port 25 and block outgoing to port 25 to anywhere except their SMTP servers, because of spam.

sp332 11y ago

It's usually a market segmentation strategy. You have to pay for a "business" connection if you want to run a server. Also, blocking standard email ports on residential connections is a common anti-spam measure.

hrbrtglm 11y ago
I'm fine with that, but then it is not an ISP.
- lmm 11y ago
  Words mean what people use them for. Sure it's technically only 65534/65535 of an ISP, but that's not a very useful way to communicate with people about the issue.
  - hrbrtglm 11y ago
    Not allowing to run servers from home is especially vague. So it's not like if only port 25 is blocked Are you allowed to run a game server, ftp server, web server, ssh server ? Words first mean what is written in a dictionary or encyclopedia. Internet : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet If you are not allowed to run server, they are WSP (Web Service Provider) not ISP. But if you are OK with ISP not providing internet, I'm sure you are fine with unlimited limited or throttled after x, 24/24 access between 9-5 and secured http page as long as there is a padlock favicon ...
    - lmm 11y ago
      > Words first mean what is written in a dictionary or encyclopedia. Nope - this is an important difference between English and other languages. If what people say differs from what's in the dictionary, it's the dictionary that will change, not the people.
rakoo 11y ago
It's an easy anti-spam measure for sure, but there's no reason you (as the user) shouldn't have a checkbox allowing you to remove this limitation. Otherwise it's not a full internet access.
- Nadya 11y ago
  They mean if you send mail to anyone else - their spam filter will block you for having a residential IP. Email is a bit less useful when everyone has you auto-blocked for being 'spam'.
  - sp332 11y ago
    I'd forgotten about that part. Yes, having an IP from a pool marked as "dynamic" is enough to get put on many spam blacklists.
- vidarh 11y ago
  There's a good reason: The demand for it is infinitesimally tiny, and the hassle of doing so (and having to deal with monitoring whether or not you end up being a spam source) is an extra cost. An argument that it's not "full" internet access will get you nowhere - very few consumer internet subscriptions are "full" internet access in the sense that they are totally unrestricted - most have very severe restrictions on e.g. running servers and many other things.
jcfrei 11y ago
I'm not sure I understood you correctly. Are you saying it's a common thing for all "ISPs" in the US to block outgoing traffic on port 25 (and allow incoming traffic for Outlook et al.)? Or do you simply mean that most email providers will block incoming mails from residential IP adresses?
- sp332 11y ago
  The first. I don't know exactly how many ISPs do it, but it's pretty common. http://www.vtdesignworks.com/blog/comcast-xfinity-port-25-blocked-change-to-465-or-587-for-outgoing-email-smtp http://www.vtdesignworks.com/blog/comcast-xfinity-port-25-bl...
- spc476 11y ago
  My provider (BellSouth or AT&T or whatever they're calling themselves this week) block incoming port 25 and block outgoing to port 25 to anywhere except their SMTP servers, because of spam.