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observation of reality. not theory. not wish/want/should/ought. actual reality. trust me, if you're smart and wise then the older you get you should be getting

observation of reality. not theory. not wish/want/should/ought. actual reality. trust me, if you're smart and wise then the older you get you should be getting more and more reality-based in your decisions. not theory. not ideal. not PC. reality.

dylanjermiah 11y ago
Do you have any data to support that?
- kibwen 11y ago
  Google has their own page on employee diversity: http://www.google.com/diversity/index.html#chart http://www.google.com/diversity/index.html#chart If you click the "Tech" tab, they self-report as 59% White, 35% Asian, 2% Hispanic, 1% Black. Note that the ethnicity data is US-only (the gender data is global).
  - icelancer 11y ago
    That a lot of white and Asian people work there isn't evidence that it is only a good place for white and Asian people to work there, however.
    - kibwen 11y ago
      Indeed, you'd need to ask non-white, non-Asian employees about their experiences there. Here's a post from November 2014 about a black woman's experience at Google: https://medium.com/thelist/the-other-side-of-diversity-1bb3de2f053e https://medium.com/thelist/the-other-side-of-diversity-1bb3d... It's a very interesting read, I recommend it.
      - icelancer 11y ago
        >Indeed, you'd need to ask non-white, non-Asian employees about their experiences there. Well, seeing as I am a non-white non-Asian former Google employee....
        kibwen 11y ago
        Using "you" in the indefinite sense. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you
      - reagency 11y ago
        Also note the survey of non-Google experiences in that article. Google vs the rest of the for-profit tech biz is one question, business vs non-profit?/charity is another.
        dylanjermiah 11y ago
        Non profits and charities can discriminate far easier than a for profit business.
      - e12e 11y ago
        Interesting link (even if it is a rather depressing confirmation of typical white tech-worker douchebagginess). The wording of: > When I transferred to my second team there, Desktop Support, diversity lightning struck: I was a black woman reporting to another black woman in a technical role. Moreover, our team was predominantly black. strikes me as a bit funny. Clearly "diversity lightning" implies an interesting chance outcome, facilitated by the possibility of there being similar people around, but "a black woman reporting to a black woman, in a predominantly black team" is stretching "diversity" to mean non-white (or more probably, non-white, non-male, non-gay). I completely understand (in an entirely outside-looking-in way) the authors perspective -- but in my book a "diversity success story" would've been if the co-workers at Google hadn't been close-minded fucks, pardon the expression. Now, I still think positive (hiring) discrimination is one of the best ways to achieve a mixed/diverse team, and that in turn is one cornerstone for a diverse and tolerant culture. But sometimes you find yourself in the cultural stone age, and it's hard to see a good way out. Sounds like Google California was one such place -- not just due to Google, but apparently due to something (real equal opportunity) missing from higher education in the US in general?
        e12e 11y ago
        Others might also find: https://medium.com/@ericajoy/seeking-happy-58a2a375340a https://medium.com/@ericajoy/seeking-happy-58a2a375340a relevant, interesting. And a bit more positive to boot.
      - unimportant 11y ago
        Basically it comes down to her not feeling comfortable being around a majority of whites and asians and she feels that she has to change her whole personality just s others like her more. She also prefers to be around blacks, preferably black women. This has little to do with Google though. Google is rather corporate and thus it's only for people willing to adapt a corporate personality during the day - often in combination with a rather conservative physical appearance. Cornrows and overly casual probably wouldn't fly too well in the head office, no matter if you're black, white or asian. She should just get another job.
    - jghn 11y ago
      Agree. I've spent a lot of time in tech, biotech and hanging around the medical community and it's no secret that certain racial & ethnic groups are overrepresented here in the US vs the standard population. Why that is and if that's something to be concerned about are separate questions which I think are out of scope here, but it certainly doesn't necessarily imply that you need to conform to have an enjoyable work experience.
  - dylanjermiah 11y ago
    Thanks for the link. I don't however see any evidence to support the initial assumption that it's "perfect" for those races.
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  - taki1 11y ago
    I wish rap music producers would have data like that too. So I could sue them for under representing whites in the rap music industry. Not to mention white women. BS like this, U.S. only, couldn't agree more. If God wants to punish someone, He makes them crazy first. They will do the rest on their own. -- Roman/Latin proverb
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  - dylanjermiah 11y ago
    I did not. A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set.
    - mkramlich 11y ago
      > A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set. I've noticed that over the course of 40+ years that almost every morning, when I wake up, and the windows aren't closed, not wearing a blindfold, etc. than it tends to be "bright" from "daylight" due to the Sun. And by golly I see lots of portrayals consistent with that, from other people, in all the books I've read, and on TV, in movies, magazines, photos, second-hand statements from others in direct conversations, etc. All consistent with that. With the obvious exceptional cases that every adult, non-retarded person takes for granted. Duh. > A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set. show me your data? cite a paper URL k thx plz! you are one of the dark patterns of HN. you are the kind of commenter which makes HN a crappy place to interact. shame on you. grow up. or go somewhere else. or just keep your mouth shut.
  - mkramlich 11y ago
    normal person: I've noticed over the course of 40 years of real life, thousands/millions of direct RL observations (including.. wait for it... wait for it... seeing, hearing, reading, testing, etc.), that on most days when I wake up, in the morning, and I don't have a blindfold on, and the windows don't have drapes closed, etc. then it tends to be bright, and well lit in the room from that Sun thing. post to HN: > do you have any data to support that? cite the paper URL k thx plz? you obvious degenerate superstitious uneducated fuck HN: a certain percentage of you are annoying as hell. grow up. use your fucking brain. go outside sometimes.
icelancer 11y ago
Your race has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good place to work as far as happiness goes. I am about as anti-PC as it gets. I can see you are a jaded individual but that's no excuse to post garbage that has no credible evidence backing it.
- mkramlich 11y ago
  > Your race has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good place to work as far as happiness goes. agreed. and I never said it did. Point to where I said that and I will send you 5 trillion US dollars. You can't, therefore I never will.

dylanjermiah 11y ago

Do you have any data to support that?

kibwen 11y ago
Google has their own page on employee diversity: http://www.google.com/diversity/index.html#chart http://www.google.com/diversity/index.html#chart If you click the "Tech" tab, they self-report as 59% White, 35% Asian, 2% Hispanic, 1% Black. Note that the ethnicity data is US-only (the gender data is global).
- icelancer 11y ago
  That a lot of white and Asian people work there isn't evidence that it is only a good place for white and Asian people to work there, however.
  - kibwen 11y ago
    Indeed, you'd need to ask non-white, non-Asian employees about their experiences there. Here's a post from November 2014 about a black woman's experience at Google: https://medium.com/thelist/the-other-side-of-diversity-1bb3de2f053e https://medium.com/thelist/the-other-side-of-diversity-1bb3d... It's a very interesting read, I recommend it.
    - icelancer 11y ago
      >Indeed, you'd need to ask non-white, non-Asian employees about their experiences there. Well, seeing as I am a non-white non-Asian former Google employee....
      - kibwen 11y ago
        Using "you" in the indefinite sense. :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_you
    - reagency 11y ago
      Also note the survey of non-Google experiences in that article. Google vs the rest of the for-profit tech biz is one question, business vs non-profit?/charity is another.
      - dylanjermiah 11y ago
        Non profits and charities can discriminate far easier than a for profit business.
    - e12e 11y ago
      Interesting link (even if it is a rather depressing confirmation of typical white tech-worker douchebagginess). The wording of: > When I transferred to my second team there, Desktop Support, diversity lightning struck: I was a black woman reporting to another black woman in a technical role. Moreover, our team was predominantly black. strikes me as a bit funny. Clearly "diversity lightning" implies an interesting chance outcome, facilitated by the possibility of there being similar people around, but "a black woman reporting to a black woman, in a predominantly black team" is stretching "diversity" to mean non-white (or more probably, non-white, non-male, non-gay). I completely understand (in an entirely outside-looking-in way) the authors perspective -- but in my book a "diversity success story" would've been if the co-workers at Google hadn't been close-minded fucks, pardon the expression. Now, I still think positive (hiring) discrimination is one of the best ways to achieve a mixed/diverse team, and that in turn is one cornerstone for a diverse and tolerant culture. But sometimes you find yourself in the cultural stone age, and it's hard to see a good way out. Sounds like Google California was one such place -- not just due to Google, but apparently due to something (real equal opportunity) missing from higher education in the US in general?
      - e12e 11y ago
        Others might also find: https://medium.com/@ericajoy/seeking-happy-58a2a375340a https://medium.com/@ericajoy/seeking-happy-58a2a375340a relevant, interesting. And a bit more positive to boot.
    - unimportant 11y ago
      Basically it comes down to her not feeling comfortable being around a majority of whites and asians and she feels that she has to change her whole personality just s others like her more. She also prefers to be around blacks, preferably black women. This has little to do with Google though. Google is rather corporate and thus it's only for people willing to adapt a corporate personality during the day - often in combination with a rather conservative physical appearance. Cornrows and overly casual probably wouldn't fly too well in the head office, no matter if you're black, white or asian. She should just get another job.
  - jghn 11y ago
    Agree. I've spent a lot of time in tech, biotech and hanging around the medical community and it's no secret that certain racial & ethnic groups are overrepresented here in the US vs the standard population. Why that is and if that's something to be concerned about are separate questions which I think are out of scope here, but it certainly doesn't necessarily imply that you need to conform to have an enjoyable work experience.
- dylanjermiah 11y ago
  Thanks for the link. I don't however see any evidence to support the initial assumption that it's "perfect" for those races.
  - deleted 11y ago
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- taki1 11y ago
  I wish rap music producers would have data like that too. So I could sue them for under representing whites in the rap music industry. Not to mention white women. BS like this, U.S. only, couldn't agree more. If God wants to punish someone, He makes them crazy first. They will do the rest on their own. -- Roman/Latin proverb
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- dylanjermiah 11y ago
  I did not. A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set.
  - mkramlich 11y ago
    > A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set. I've noticed that over the course of 40+ years that almost every morning, when I wake up, and the windows aren't closed, not wearing a blindfold, etc. than it tends to be "bright" from "daylight" due to the Sun. And by golly I see lots of portrayals consistent with that, from other people, in all the books I've read, and on TV, in movies, magazines, photos, second-hand statements from others in direct conversations, etc. All consistent with that. With the obvious exceptional cases that every adult, non-retarded person takes for granted. Duh. > A single persons observations are not indicative of even a general 'reality', nor a convincing data set. show me your data? cite a paper URL k thx plz! you are one of the dark patterns of HN. you are the kind of commenter which makes HN a crappy place to interact. shame on you. grow up. or go somewhere else. or just keep your mouth shut.
- mkramlich 11y ago
  normal person: I've noticed over the course of 40 years of real life, thousands/millions of direct RL observations (including.. wait for it... wait for it... seeing, hearing, reading, testing, etc.), that on most days when I wake up, in the morning, and I don't have a blindfold on, and the windows don't have drapes closed, etc. then it tends to be bright, and well lit in the room from that Sun thing. post to HN: > do you have any data to support that? cite the paper URL k thx plz? you obvious degenerate superstitious uneducated fuck HN: a certain percentage of you are annoying as hell. grow up. use your fucking brain. go outside sometimes.

icelancer 11y ago

Your race has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good place to work as far as happiness goes. I am about as anti-PC as it gets. I can see you are a jaded individual but that's no excuse to post garbage that has no credible evidence backing it.

mkramlich 11y ago
> Your race has nothing to do with whether or not it's a good place to work as far as happiness goes. agreed. and I never said it did. Point to where I said that and I will send you 5 trillion US dollars. You can't, therefore I never will.