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Because I would feel uncomfortable if my boss wore a shirt of dicks all over it. Its inappropriate in any professional setting other than porn star or pimp. I

by keslag 11y ago

Because I would feel uncomfortable if my boss wore a shirt of dicks all over it. Its inappropriate in any professional setting other than porn star or pimp. It's sexist objectification of women, and undoubtedly makes some of his peers uncomfortable. Not cool. edit: I should have googled the shirt first, somehow in my mind is was a lot worse than it was. It was more tasteless than anything. edit2: I kept digging, looking for more angles, and it is still bad. Impossibly figured hyper sexualized illustrated women don't belong in the workplace.

douche 11y ago
Is there any evidence that it did make his peers uncomfortable? It's fucking clothes. Who gives a shit what someone else is wearing?
- keslag 11y ago
  When those clothes belittle an entire class of people. It sends a message to his female peers that he views them primarily as objects, and as human being second. If he wore that to my office, he would be rightfully fired on the spot.
  - douche 11y ago
    I'm glad that I don't work in your office. Any kind of work environment that is that intolerant is a huge red flag.
    - keslag 11y ago
      Yea, we're incredibly intolerant. Men and women in equal roles, with equal pay, and a healthy diversity of cultures, ideas, and religions. Everyone feels comfortable suggesting an idea, or challenging a preconceived notion. The only real rule is Don't be a douche. You wouldn't like it.
      - hoopd 11y ago
        > The only real rule is Don't be a douche. The fact that you use a gendered pejorative[0] that refers to men while claiming to have a "healthy diversity of cultures" is both ironic and representative of modern PC-culture. [0] - https://medium.com/human-parts/douchebag-the-white-racial-slur-weve-all-been-waiting-for-a2323002f85d https://medium.com/human-parts/douchebag-the-white-racial-sl...
        douche 11y ago
        To be fair, that is my username...
        keslag 11y ago
        Yea, as douche points out, I was making a play off his username. Also, I wasn't aware the term douche applied to only white men. It certainly has no racial or gender connotation where I live in Canada.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        For fucks sake spit the hook.
    - arrrg 11y ago
      Me, me, me, it’s only about me! That’s what you sound like – and that’s not what mutual respect looks like. Mutual respect means communicating with others and finding an ok solution for everybody, not wearing whatever the hell you want (and it also means that you better be careful especially around sensitive things, like potentially objectifying depictions of women, especially in a context were women have long been denied access, and to be proactive in your behavior in those contexts, because the people affected by it may feel or actually be unable to speak up).
rimantas 11y ago
You know what's uncomfortable? Being around people who feel the need to be offended by anything.
- keslag 11y ago
  It's called professionalism. And unless you're a porn star or strip club owner, this isn't appropriate attire.
- quarterto 11y ago
  So if I call you a dickhead and you're offended, it's your fault?
tremendo 11y ago
and here we are, exciting scientific news and you've spent over an hour discussing a shirt that unfortunately got posted to the Internet, whether it made the wearer's co-workers uncomfortable or not, whether it fits the wearer's environment culture or not, nobody knows, but a whole lot of people sure like any excuse for being outraged.
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  Fun fact: The shirt he wore was designed by a woman - Elly Prizeman [1]. [1] http://www.newsweek.com/interview-woman-behind-shirtgate-shirt-285877 http://www.newsweek.com/interview-woman-behind-shirtgate-shi...
13thLetter 11y ago
Let's say for the sake of argument that this shirt -- which was a present from a female friend, by the way -- wasn't appropriate in his workplace. Isn't that something for the people in his workplace (a workplace which had several women in positions of authority, by the way, so there's no reason to think the situation wouldn't have been addressed) to sort out? Was it really necessary to pillory the man as a sexist in worldwide media and force him to make a tearful apology on international television? Can we at least agree that the whole situation was ridiculously blown out of proportion?
- wpietri 11y ago
  The guy didn't just wear it in his workplace, in which it would be mainly up to his workplace. He wore it while representing a major scientific effort to the world. During a period where we are working very hard to drag our culture out of millennia of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy. And while a great number of people are trying very hard to solve the diversity issues in science. So no, it was not blown out of proportion. He was unlucky in that this is a moment of transition. 25 years ago nobody bothered would have felt safe speaking up, and 25 years from now things will hopefully have changed enough that one mistake won't be emblematic of a major societal problem. But today's today. And today we have a lot of people whose toes have been stepped on all their goddamn lives.
  - 13thLetter 11y ago
    Is anyone allowed to disagree with you about whether or not distributed punishment incited by careless journalists and carried out by mobs of bored and uninformed strangers is the best way to "drag our culture out of millennia of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy"? Or does asking questions like that make me a supporter of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy? "And today we have a lot of people whose toes have been stepped on all their goddamn lives." So it's okay to destroy someone who had never been one of the toe-steppers for wearing the wrong shirt? See, this is the thing. You can bang on all you like about the evils of patriarchy, but at the end, you are advocating that random people who at best committed a minor faux pas that should be dealt with in their own workplace should be destroyed by the mob. It's as if I decried the number of people who die in traffic accidents and in response advocate that anyone who gets a speeding ticket get put in front of a firing squad. It's wrong, and you're trying to distract yourself from that fact by pretending that you are somehow bravely fighting the patriarchy by choosing the least intimidating possible target.
brianobush 11y ago
I have a shirt with rockets all over it. I am sure some feminist would call them dicks. That said, I don't think that dicks are the same class as women's breasts. Impossibly figured hyper sexualized illustrated women? What does that even mean?

by keslag 11y ago

douche 11y ago

Is there any evidence that it did make his peers uncomfortable? It's fucking clothes. Who gives a shit what someone else is wearing?

keslag 11y ago
When those clothes belittle an entire class of people. It sends a message to his female peers that he views them primarily as objects, and as human being second. If he wore that to my office, he would be rightfully fired on the spot.
- douche 11y ago
  I'm glad that I don't work in your office. Any kind of work environment that is that intolerant is a huge red flag.
  - keslag 11y ago
    Yea, we're incredibly intolerant. Men and women in equal roles, with equal pay, and a healthy diversity of cultures, ideas, and religions. Everyone feels comfortable suggesting an idea, or challenging a preconceived notion. The only real rule is Don't be a douche. You wouldn't like it.
    - hoopd 11y ago
      > The only real rule is Don't be a douche. The fact that you use a gendered pejorative[0] that refers to men while claiming to have a "healthy diversity of cultures" is both ironic and representative of modern PC-culture. [0] - https://medium.com/human-parts/douchebag-the-white-racial-slur-weve-all-been-waiting-for-a2323002f85d https://medium.com/human-parts/douchebag-the-white-racial-sl...
      - douche 11y ago
        To be fair, that is my username...
      - keslag 11y ago
        Yea, as douche points out, I was making a play off his username. Also, I wasn't aware the term douche applied to only white men. It certainly has no racial or gender connotation where I live in Canada.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      For fucks sake spit the hook.
  - arrrg 11y ago
    Me, me, me, it’s only about me! That’s what you sound like – and that’s not what mutual respect looks like. Mutual respect means communicating with others and finding an ok solution for everybody, not wearing whatever the hell you want (and it also means that you better be careful especially around sensitive things, like potentially objectifying depictions of women, especially in a context were women have long been denied access, and to be proactive in your behavior in those contexts, because the people affected by it may feel or actually be unable to speak up).

rimantas 11y ago

You know what's uncomfortable? Being around people who feel the need to be offended by anything.

keslag 11y ago
It's called professionalism. And unless you're a porn star or strip club owner, this isn't appropriate attire.
quarterto 11y ago
So if I call you a dickhead and you're offended, it's your fault?

tremendo 11y ago

and here we are, exciting scientific news and you've spent over an hour discussing a shirt that unfortunately got posted to the Internet, whether it made the wearer's co-workers uncomfortable or not, whether it fits the wearer's environment culture or not, nobody knows, but a whole lot of people sure like any excuse for being outraged.

vezzy-fnord 11y ago
Fun fact: The shirt he wore was designed by a woman - Elly Prizeman [1]. [1] http://www.newsweek.com/interview-woman-behind-shirtgate-shirt-285877 http://www.newsweek.com/interview-woman-behind-shirtgate-shi...

13thLetter 11y ago

Let's say for the sake of argument that this shirt -- which was a present from a female friend, by the way -- wasn't appropriate in his workplace. Isn't that something for the people in his workplace (a workplace which had several women in positions of authority, by the way, so there's no reason to think the situation wouldn't have been addressed) to sort out? Was it really necessary to pillory the man as a sexist in worldwide media and force him to make a tearful apology on international television? Can we at least agree that the whole situation was ridiculously blown out of proportion?

wpietri 11y ago
The guy didn't just wear it in his workplace, in which it would be mainly up to his workplace. He wore it while representing a major scientific effort to the world. During a period where we are working very hard to drag our culture out of millennia of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy. And while a great number of people are trying very hard to solve the diversity issues in science. So no, it was not blown out of proportion. He was unlucky in that this is a moment of transition. 25 years ago nobody bothered would have felt safe speaking up, and 25 years from now things will hopefully have changed enough that one mistake won't be emblematic of a major societal problem. But today's today. And today we have a lot of people whose toes have been stepped on all their goddamn lives.
- 13thLetter 11y ago
  Is anyone allowed to disagree with you about whether or not distributed punishment incited by careless journalists and carried out by mobs of bored and uninformed strangers is the best way to "drag our culture out of millennia of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy"? Or does asking questions like that make me a supporter of patriarchy, race-based dominance, and other primitive idiocy? "And today we have a lot of people whose toes have been stepped on all their goddamn lives." So it's okay to destroy someone who had never been one of the toe-steppers for wearing the wrong shirt? See, this is the thing. You can bang on all you like about the evils of patriarchy, but at the end, you are advocating that random people who at best committed a minor faux pas that should be dealt with in their own workplace should be destroyed by the mob. It's as if I decried the number of people who die in traffic accidents and in response advocate that anyone who gets a speeding ticket get put in front of a firing squad. It's wrong, and you're trying to distract yourself from that fact by pretending that you are somehow bravely fighting the patriarchy by choosing the least intimidating possible target.

brianobush 11y ago

I have a shirt with rockets all over it. I am sure some feminist would call them dicks. That said, I don't think that dicks are the same class as women's breasts. Impossibly figured hyper sexualized illustrated women? What does that even mean?