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Why does Prgmr offer so much more memory/$ compared to the other providers? Is there something about the usual workloads that makes RAM less important or is it

by docmach 17y ago

Why does Prgmr offer so much more memory/$ compared to the other providers? Is there something about the usual workloads that makes RAM less important or is it based on hardware capabilities?

stingraycharles 17y ago
Well, judging by the SLA of Prgmr over here: http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/SLA http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/SLA it seems like Prmgr is ran by a single person, with a 99.5% uptime guarantee. I bet this reduces costs quite a little.
- docmach 17y ago
  If cost reduction is the reason then CPU resources should be higher as well, but they don't seem to be.
  - lsc 17y ago
    my cpu is probably worse 'cause I only give you 1 VCPU. I don't know for sure this is the right decision, but the idea is that the fewer VCPUs each instance has, the less often you have context switches, and the better your system performs when there is a lot of contention for CPUs.
- etherealG 17y ago
  99.5% seems bad until you realise the rolling period is a month. that's pretty good actually, since most will roll over a year, or not mention roll over at all, leaving them fine to say 99.9% covers 3.65 days in a 10 year period if they want. can you imagine your site being down for 1 day and they say it's within contract :)
- lsc 17y ago
  we're between 2 and 3 people, but yeah, only I'm full-time, and yes, that reduces costs. Also, I build my own servers, which saves me some bucks, but it's not orders of magnitude. uh, also, compare my SLAs to the other providers before you start saying it's weak. (I mean, my sla is weak, I agree, but so is everyone else's.)
  - mahmud 17y ago
    I have dealt with Nick a few days ago and I found him one of the most competent, friendliest and patient tech support people I have ever dealt with. 4 hours of his time dealing with my newbie shenanigans when I am only paying you $20/mo; that alone has won me over and I have been a walking Prgmr PR agent ever since that day.
    - SingAlong 17y ago
      To everyone who doesn't know: #prgmr channel on Freenode I was once contacted about an old ticket and asked by Will if it was solved, since it was solved on their IRC channel (and was not marked as solved maybe). It shows that they make sure they respond to all the tickets. Really sweet of them to do it. I agree with mahmud. Same here friend, I've been that "walking PR agent" for prgmr ever since I started out with them. Besides Prgmr is for those who like the real raw stuff - bare bones VPS with shell access. The SLA is always something you don't want to read with any hosts :P Coz it includes all the bells and whistles they say they would provide you if they go down,and that would sound like they would go down :) There were 3 reasons why I use Prgmr: 1.) They support Paypal (yes, I cannot use a credit card since I'm not yet eligible to have one in my country) 2.) The pricing is great 3.) They have this small 128mb pkg on which I can develop and test my app. So when launching I can upgrade my plan. Thus saving me a few dollars which might sum up to one more month's payment when I launch :)
    - hinoglu 17y ago
      +1. though not fully committed mytime to move my services and stuff to prgmr servers yet, still it is/was much more fun and trust building when communicating with a real person while trying to solve issues.
lsc 17y ago
check out prices two years ago, using archive.org. as far as I can tell, most of the competition has not been lowering their prices by much over the last few years. (linode has some.) Also, to be fair, if you pre-pay for a year, ec2 gives me a run for the money; I only have a 20% discount if you pre-pay for a year.
lsc 17y ago
As far as I can tell, the amount of ram is more important than anything else when it comes to real-world performance, but it doesn't really feature in most synthetic benchmarks, which I believe is why I did so well in Uggedal's first benchmark, and so poorly in the second.
- akamaka 17y ago
  Hey, you finished second place in the application benchmarks, not too far behind Linode, and the stability looks quite solid. Considering how little I paid for my 512M prgmr VPS, I'm very pleased to see these results!

by docmach 17y ago

Why does Prgmr offer so much more memory/$ compared to the other providers? Is there something about the usual workloads that makes RAM less important or is it based on hardware capabilities?

stingraycharles 17y ago

Well, judging by the SLA of Prgmr over here: http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/SLA http://book.xen.prgmr.com/mediawiki/index.php/SLA it seems like Prmgr is ran by a single person, with a 99.5% uptime guarantee. I bet this reduces costs quite a little.

docmach 17y ago
If cost reduction is the reason then CPU resources should be higher as well, but they don't seem to be.
- lsc 17y ago
  my cpu is probably worse 'cause I only give you 1 VCPU. I don't know for sure this is the right decision, but the idea is that the fewer VCPUs each instance has, the less often you have context switches, and the better your system performs when there is a lot of contention for CPUs.
etherealG 17y ago
99.5% seems bad until you realise the rolling period is a month. that's pretty good actually, since most will roll over a year, or not mention roll over at all, leaving them fine to say 99.9% covers 3.65 days in a 10 year period if they want. can you imagine your site being down for 1 day and they say it's within contract :)
lsc 17y ago
we're between 2 and 3 people, but yeah, only I'm full-time, and yes, that reduces costs. Also, I build my own servers, which saves me some bucks, but it's not orders of magnitude. uh, also, compare my SLAs to the other providers before you start saying it's weak. (I mean, my sla is weak, I agree, but so is everyone else's.)
- mahmud 17y ago
  I have dealt with Nick a few days ago and I found him one of the most competent, friendliest and patient tech support people I have ever dealt with. 4 hours of his time dealing with my newbie shenanigans when I am only paying you $20/mo; that alone has won me over and I have been a walking Prgmr PR agent ever since that day.
  - SingAlong 17y ago
    To everyone who doesn't know: #prgmr channel on Freenode I was once contacted about an old ticket and asked by Will if it was solved, since it was solved on their IRC channel (and was not marked as solved maybe). It shows that they make sure they respond to all the tickets. Really sweet of them to do it. I agree with mahmud. Same here friend, I've been that "walking PR agent" for prgmr ever since I started out with them. Besides Prgmr is for those who like the real raw stuff - bare bones VPS with shell access. The SLA is always something you don't want to read with any hosts :P Coz it includes all the bells and whistles they say they would provide you if they go down,and that would sound like they would go down :) There were 3 reasons why I use Prgmr: 1.) They support Paypal (yes, I cannot use a credit card since I'm not yet eligible to have one in my country) 2.) The pricing is great 3.) They have this small 128mb pkg on which I can develop and test my app. So when launching I can upgrade my plan. Thus saving me a few dollars which might sum up to one more month's payment when I launch :)
  - hinoglu 17y ago
    +1. though not fully committed mytime to move my services and stuff to prgmr servers yet, still it is/was much more fun and trust building when communicating with a real person while trying to solve issues.

lsc 17y ago

check out prices two years ago, using archive.org. as far as I can tell, most of the competition has not been lowering their prices by much over the last few years. (linode has some.) Also, to be fair, if you pre-pay for a year, ec2 gives me a run for the money; I only have a 20% discount if you pre-pay for a year.

lsc 17y ago

As far as I can tell, the amount of ram is more important than anything else when it comes to real-world performance, but it doesn't really feature in most synthetic benchmarks, which I believe is why I did so well in Uggedal's first benchmark, and so poorly in the second.

akamaka 17y ago
Hey, you finished second place in the application benchmarks, not too far behind Linode, and the stability looks quite solid. Considering how little I paid for my 512M prgmr VPS, I'm very pleased to see these results!