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>>Furthermore, I am unconvinced that the death penalty actually deters crime. If you are committing a crime that results in you being sentenced to death, I don'

>>Furthermore, I am unconvinced that the death penalty actually deters crime. If you are committing a crime that results in you being sentenced to death, I don't think you are sane enough to have even considered the punishment. You would think that, but it turns out that isn't the case. [0][1] [0] - https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articles/JLpaper.pdf https://www.dartmouth.edu/~chance/teaching_aids/books_articl... [1] - http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-de...

tptacek 11y ago
I'm not sure what either of these two sources are supposed to mean --- I mean, literally, I don't know which case you're trying to make (for or against deterrence). In any case: you can't reasonably make inferences about the effectiveness of the death penalty simply by counting murders in states that do or don't have it, since there are so many other factors influencing how many murders a state will record.
- Inception 11y ago
  I was trying to make the case against deterrence. You're right, it is hard to draw any conclusions about the effectiveness by looking at murder numbers alone. It seems most experts would argue against deterrence being effective though and I would agree. If you can't say for certain whether or not something such as the death penalty is effective, then I think it is best to error on the side of not killing people.
jdreaver 11y ago
Both of your sources agree with my statement. I don't get your point.
- Inception 11y ago
  My mistake...I initially read 'unconvinced' as 'convinced'
  - qwerty853443246 11y ago
    I already linked to an academic study says there's a deterrence effect with the death penalty above. We should rely on empirical research, not links to websites that have agendas.

tptacek 11y ago

I'm not sure what either of these two sources are supposed to mean --- I mean, literally, I don't know which case you're trying to make (for or against deterrence). In any case: you can't reasonably make inferences about the effectiveness of the death penalty simply by counting murders in states that do or don't have it, since there are so many other factors influencing how many murders a state will record.

Inception 11y ago
I was trying to make the case against deterrence. You're right, it is hard to draw any conclusions about the effectiveness by looking at murder numbers alone. It seems most experts would argue against deterrence being effective though and I would agree. If you can't say for certain whether or not something such as the death penalty is effective, then I think it is best to error on the side of not killing people.

jdreaver 11y ago

Both of your sources agree with my statement. I don't get your point.

Inception 11y ago
My mistake...I initially read 'unconvinced' as 'convinced'
- qwerty853443246 11y ago
  I already linked to an academic study says there's a deterrence effect with the death penalty above. We should rely on empirical research, not links to websites that have agendas.