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> the first mainstream imperative scripting language to have these async/await concepts built-in Hi. https://www.dartlang.org/articles/beyond-async/ https://ww

by tmc2 11y ago

> the first mainstream imperative scripting language to have these async/await concepts built-in Hi. https://www.dartlang.org/articles/beyond-async/ https://www.dartlang.org/articles/beyond-async/

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cwyers 11y ago
I don't know that the definitional argument is worth having, but Python is more mainstream than Dart by a good deal.
- tmc2 11y ago
  I didn't realize factual corrections need to be cleared by a committee that decides which languages matter. ("More mainstream" is a moving goalpost fallacy.)
  - wtallis 11y ago
    Would you care to propose an objective criterion by which Dart is within an order of magnitude of the popularity or prevalence of Python?
    - munificent 11y ago
      That depends on if you define "mainstream" to mean "lots of users" or "similar to the kinds of things with lots of users". If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.
      - pandler 11y ago
        > If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes. You might make mainstream music but you yourself are not mainstream.
    - tmc2 11y ago
      That's a loaded question, in that it's notoriously difficult to measure, and you already know the answer, but here: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Surprised?
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". It was stated from the starting comment that he was talking about a "mainstream" language. Of course the "mainstreamity" of languages is hard to determine, but Dart is so low in any kind of related metric that makes this a non-issue. Let's put it this way: the Dart team announced a few months ago that they'd be concentrating on transpiling [1] and they won't put the VM officially in Chrome, and nobody gave much of a fuck judging from reactions in blogs, forums, HN etc. If a mainstream language changed something, even something minor, there would have been blood (as it often happens). [1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-dart-will-not-replace-in-browser-javascript.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-d...
    - tmc2 11y ago
      > nobody gave much of a fuck I don't at all mind your saying so, but it might be frowned on around here. > Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". Why can't you read?
coldtea 11y ago
Missed the "mainstream" part. Dart is hardly used by anyone.

by tmc2 11y ago

> the first mainstream imperative scripting language to have these async/await concepts built-in Hi. https://www.dartlang.org/articles/beyond-async/ https://www.dartlang.org/articles/beyond-async/

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cwyers 11y ago

I don't know that the definitional argument is worth having, but Python is more mainstream than Dart by a good deal.

tmc2 11y ago
I didn't realize factual corrections need to be cleared by a committee that decides which languages matter. ("More mainstream" is a moving goalpost fallacy.)
- wtallis 11y ago
  Would you care to propose an objective criterion by which Dart is within an order of magnitude of the popularity or prevalence of Python?
  - munificent 11y ago
    That depends on if you define "mainstream" to mean "lots of users" or "similar to the kinds of things with lots of users". If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.
    - pandler 11y ago
      > If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes. You might make mainstream music but you yourself are not mainstream.
  - tmc2 11y ago
    That's a loaded question, in that it's notoriously difficult to measure, and you already know the answer, but here: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.... Surprised?
- coldtea 11y ago
  Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". It was stated from the starting comment that he was talking about a "mainstream" language. Of course the "mainstreamity" of languages is hard to determine, but Dart is so low in any kind of related metric that makes this a non-issue. Let's put it this way: the Dart team announced a few months ago that they'd be concentrating on transpiling [1] and they won't put the VM officially in Chrome, and nobody gave much of a fuck judging from reactions in blogs, forums, HN etc. If a mainstream language changed something, even something minor, there would have been blood (as it often happens). [1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-dart-will-not-replace-in-browser-javascript.html http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-d...
  - tmc2 11y ago
    > nobody gave much of a fuck I don't at all mind your saying so, but it might be frowned on around here. > Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". Why can't you read?

coldtea 11y ago

Missed the "mainstream" part. Dart is hardly used by anyone.