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Logically consistent libertarianism requires anarchy. More here if you like to know why: http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/block_radic

Logically consistent libertarianism requires anarchy. More here if you like to know why: http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/block_radical-libertarianism-rp.pdf http://www.walterblock.com/wp-content/uploads/publications/b...

baldfat 11y ago
I get the funniest looks when someone says that they are a Libertarian. My response is oh your an anarchist, but at what level? EDIT: The libertarian looks at me funny. Seriously, libertarians have no idea of the history of the political movement they are involved in.
- praxeologist 11y ago
  You get or give funny looks when some one says they are a libertarian? Your post doesn't make sense to me at all. What is this about levels of being an anarchist? I'm an anarcho-capitalist, basically, which is quite different than the typical leftist "anarchists". >Seriously libertarians have no idea of the history of the political movement they are involved in. Kind of a pointless remark don't you think? I'm pretty well-versed in the history of libertarian anarchism and lest-"anarchism".
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    So you believe might makes right?
    - praxeologist 11y ago
      No, and I am not sure why you would say that. Totally irrelevant to what was said.
- vegancap 11y ago
  I consider myself both, I wouldn't give you any funny looks :)
  - baldfat 11y ago
    You sir than understand what you believe :) Now if only my In-Laws that just spout out whatever Glen Beck says with mixed in "small governemnt" people say gets them to believe liberty is best experienced in Anarchy :)
- nsxwolf 11y ago
  Why are libertarians the only group held to a pure ideological standard? No one blinks when they meet a conservative or liberal with a few positions that go the other way. For example, I frequently hear liberals say that if libertarianism were pushed to its logical extreme, you'd end up with Somalia. For some reason, liberals are insulated from the question on what happens when leftist ideology it pushed to its extreme.
  - jbooth 11y ago
    Because libertarians define themselves in terms of pure ideology? US modern liberalism, on the other hand, has basically no pure ideological component other than beliefs in humanistic morals, pragmatism and empiricism. (And, of course, pandering from politicians). Most of us really distrust overly strong ideologies, so that's what we poke fun at. Liberalism isn't the opposite of libertarianism in terms of ideology, we're not in favor of nationalizing industries, it's the opposite where we don't think there's a one-size fits-all narrative to define everything.
  - jkestner 11y ago
    Well put. I try to split beliefs between small-l libertarianism for what I believe (which is not ideologically pure), and capital-L Libertarianism for the party platform. It's the only way to reconcile liberals and conservatives with their presumptive parties, though Libertarians, not having won anything, aren't as compromising.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > For example, I frequently hear liberals say that if libertarianism were pushed to its logical extreme, you'd end up with Somalia. I only ever see that in discussions where libertarian participants attack every criticism drawn from real-world experience with "but, that's only because of government, but in a real libertarian system, that wouldn't happen". > For some reason, liberals are insulated from the question on what happens when leftist ideology it pushed to its extreme. Except in the real world, where conservative arguments often start with some caricature of what leftist ideology pushed to an extreme would be presented as exactly what everyone even mildly to the left of them actually wants, at a minimum, and immediately. (And, yes, the reverse happens from liberals to conservatives frequently, too.)
- vidarh 11y ago
  The first person to use libertarianism as a term was an an anarchist: The French anarcho-communist Joseph Déjacque. Libertarianism was strongly rooted on the far left for a long time - Lenins "Left Communism - An infantile Disorder" was aimed at libertarian Marxists, for example. The "modern" right wing libertarianism is the new kid on the block.
jgmmo 11y ago
Hear hear, another Mises fan. *fixed, thank you kind sir
- enraged_camel 11y ago
  Btw, it's "hear hear", as in "hear him out, everyone!" I'll crawl back into my hole now. :)
vegancap 11y ago
Good find!

baldfat 11y ago

I get the funniest looks when someone says that they are a Libertarian. My response is oh your an anarchist, but at what level? EDIT: The libertarian looks at me funny. Seriously, libertarians have no idea of the history of the political movement they are involved in.

praxeologist 11y ago
You get or give funny looks when some one says they are a libertarian? Your post doesn't make sense to me at all. What is this about levels of being an anarchist? I'm an anarcho-capitalist, basically, which is quite different than the typical leftist "anarchists". >Seriously libertarians have no idea of the history of the political movement they are involved in. Kind of a pointless remark don't you think? I'm pretty well-versed in the history of libertarian anarchism and lest-"anarchism".
- s73v3r 11y ago
  So you believe might makes right?
  - praxeologist 11y ago
    No, and I am not sure why you would say that. Totally irrelevant to what was said.
vegancap 11y ago
I consider myself both, I wouldn't give you any funny looks :)
- baldfat 11y ago
  You sir than understand what you believe :) Now if only my In-Laws that just spout out whatever Glen Beck says with mixed in "small governemnt" people say gets them to believe liberty is best experienced in Anarchy :)
nsxwolf 11y ago
Why are libertarians the only group held to a pure ideological standard? No one blinks when they meet a conservative or liberal with a few positions that go the other way. For example, I frequently hear liberals say that if libertarianism were pushed to its logical extreme, you'd end up with Somalia. For some reason, liberals are insulated from the question on what happens when leftist ideology it pushed to its extreme.
- jbooth 11y ago
  Because libertarians define themselves in terms of pure ideology? US modern liberalism, on the other hand, has basically no pure ideological component other than beliefs in humanistic morals, pragmatism and empiricism. (And, of course, pandering from politicians). Most of us really distrust overly strong ideologies, so that's what we poke fun at. Liberalism isn't the opposite of libertarianism in terms of ideology, we're not in favor of nationalizing industries, it's the opposite where we don't think there's a one-size fits-all narrative to define everything.
- jkestner 11y ago
  Well put. I try to split beliefs between small-l libertarianism for what I believe (which is not ideologically pure), and capital-L Libertarianism for the party platform. It's the only way to reconcile liberals and conservatives with their presumptive parties, though Libertarians, not having won anything, aren't as compromising.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > For example, I frequently hear liberals say that if libertarianism were pushed to its logical extreme, you'd end up with Somalia. I only ever see that in discussions where libertarian participants attack every criticism drawn from real-world experience with "but, that's only because of government, but in a real libertarian system, that wouldn't happen". > For some reason, liberals are insulated from the question on what happens when leftist ideology it pushed to its extreme. Except in the real world, where conservative arguments often start with some caricature of what leftist ideology pushed to an extreme would be presented as exactly what everyone even mildly to the left of them actually wants, at a minimum, and immediately. (And, yes, the reverse happens from liberals to conservatives frequently, too.)
vidarh 11y ago
The first person to use libertarianism as a term was an an anarchist: The French anarcho-communist Joseph Déjacque. Libertarianism was strongly rooted on the far left for a long time - Lenins "Left Communism - An infantile Disorder" was aimed at libertarian Marxists, for example. The "modern" right wing libertarianism is the new kid on the block.

jgmmo 11y ago

Hear hear, another Mises fan. *fixed, thank you kind sir

enraged_camel 11y ago
Btw, it's "hear hear", as in "hear him out, everyone!" I'll crawl back into my hole now. :)

vegancap 11y ago

Good find!