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What about testing these systems with headphones then?

sjwright 11y ago
Headphones are great for minimizing issues of room acoustics, but they are not eliminated. Many people swear by various headphone amps and DACs, but the magnitude of difference these components could possibly impart are still pitiful compared to the improvements made possible by controlling the noise floor of the room you're listening in. This is why in any situation with ambient noise (e.g. planes, trains and open plan offices) the highest quality audiophile headphones on the market right now are the Bose QuietComfort series.
- corv 11y ago
  Active noise cancelling headphones are hardly an audiophile's first pick. Almost all NC headphones introduce audible white noise. They are also ineffective at blocking voices in the background. Earplugs are significantly cheaper and more effective at blocking noise. That said, Bose does make the best NC headphones.
  - wodenokoto 11y ago
    The point is that the sum of added and reduced noise is smaller in the noise cancellation than in non-noise cancellation, unless you are in an optimized environment.
    - corv 11y ago
      The problem is that voices or crying babies will be more audible in a noisy environment when using active noise cancelling headphones because they only effectively attenuate low frequencies.
      - sjwright 11y ago
        In a room with a crying baby, all pretense of an audiophile experience is gone, no matter what.
- anentropic 11y ago
  you're not going to hear the 'room acoustics' on headphones surely. you may hear some ambient noise from the room if it's not sound-proofed, but that's not the same thing at all
  - sjwright 11y ago
    Acoustic treatments also involve sound insulation. An acoustically poor room can also accentuate environmental noise through excessive reflection and transmission.
- PascLeRasc 11y ago
  Active noise-cancelling is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound, which is what audiophiles are seeking. The noise produced to cancel out background sounds will also cancel out the music. It is better to just try to use isolating headphones (Beyerdynamic, V-Moda, higer-end Audio-Technica, Mad Dogs, etc).
  - davidgerard 11y ago
    > neutral, balanced sound Sounds good! I assume you have tests to this effect?
  - sjwright 11y ago
    > Active noise-cancelling is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound NOISE is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound. FTFY.

Headphones are great for minimizing issues of room acoustics, but they are not eliminated. Many people swear by various headphone amps and DACs, but the magnitude of difference these components could possibly impart are still pitiful compared to the improvements made possible by controlling the noise floor of the room you're listening in. This is why in any situation with ambient noise (e.g. planes, trains and open plan offices) the highest quality audiophile headphones on the market right now are the Bose QuietComfort series.

corv 11y ago
Active noise cancelling headphones are hardly an audiophile's first pick. Almost all NC headphones introduce audible white noise. They are also ineffective at blocking voices in the background. Earplugs are significantly cheaper and more effective at blocking noise. That said, Bose does make the best NC headphones.
- wodenokoto 11y ago
  The point is that the sum of added and reduced noise is smaller in the noise cancellation than in non-noise cancellation, unless you are in an optimized environment.
  - corv 11y ago
    The problem is that voices or crying babies will be more audible in a noisy environment when using active noise cancelling headphones because they only effectively attenuate low frequencies.
    - sjwright 11y ago
      In a room with a crying baby, all pretense of an audiophile experience is gone, no matter what.
anentropic 11y ago
you're not going to hear the 'room acoustics' on headphones surely. you may hear some ambient noise from the room if it's not sound-proofed, but that's not the same thing at all
- sjwright 11y ago
  Acoustic treatments also involve sound insulation. An acoustically poor room can also accentuate environmental noise through excessive reflection and transmission.
PascLeRasc 11y ago
Active noise-cancelling is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound, which is what audiophiles are seeking. The noise produced to cancel out background sounds will also cancel out the music. It is better to just try to use isolating headphones (Beyerdynamic, V-Moda, higer-end Audio-Technica, Mad Dogs, etc).
- davidgerard 11y ago
  > neutral, balanced sound Sounds good! I assume you have tests to this effect?
- sjwright 11y ago
  > Active noise-cancelling is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound NOISE is counterproductive to a neutral, balanced sound. FTFY.