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The name is provacative, it is on purpose. A better phrase could have been, "we, as a society, have things to hide from companies and government", but it was t

The name is provacative, it is on purpose. A better phrase could have been, "we, as a society, have things to hide from companies and government", but it was too long :)

mpobrien 11y ago
Isn't that still missing the point? We don't want to be spied on period, whether there are things to hide or not.
- kevin_thibedeau 11y ago
  It is the response to the argument that "If you don't have something to hide, you shouldn't mind having your rights trampled on" with the attendant presumption that anyone with something to hide must be a criminal or a T7t.
  - Roodgorf 11y ago
    T7t? I'm not familiar with that term and my Google-fu is apparently not strong enough.
    - SloopJon 11y ago
      Like i18n or l10n: nine-letter word, starts and ends with "t", rhymes with "bogey man." Edit: and no, I've never seen this particular abbreviation.
    - pierreozoux 11y ago
      Terrorist (It's like i18n stands for internationalization, )
- abandonliberty 11y ago
  We need to get comfortable with the fact that having things to hide does not make us guilty, criminal, or unethical. Whether it's dick pictures, political views, or associations with questionable NSA targeted groups like UNICEF[1]. I argue that it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_spying_on_humanitarian_groups_like_unicef_medecins_du_monde.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_...
  - saraid216 11y ago
    I firmly disagree. Hiding things is a hack; the actual solution is to change society such that exposure entails no significant consequences. Sure, as a band-aid to make existing real people feel secure? Hiding things and keeping them hidden is fine. It's just an indicator of how far we as a society still have to go. Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact argument used by the government against things like Wikileaks. The exact argument.
    - greggman 11y ago
      I'm not sure I follow your logic. So are you saying if we were a further advanced society people could have sex a crowded bus or restaurant and we should just all accept it and not expect them to get some privacy? I'm not suggesting anyone should be ashamed of sex. I am suggesting that most people want that moment to be private and even those that around them want them to keep it private as well.
      - saraid216 11y ago
        If you don't think that people having sex in public should be ashamed, why did you bring it up?
    - deleted 11y ago
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    - tertius 11y ago
      "Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact argument used by the government against things like Wikileaks. The exact argument." The government does not have the right to privacy, we do. And exercising that right is well doing something we have the right to do. Exercising free speech is good. Don't you think?
    - abandonliberty 11y ago
      Your suggestion is like arguing that we needn't worry about food production because we could have Star Trek replicators. I would very much like to live in your utopia, but until then we have to handle the reality: http://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/cd89cqr http://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believ... I would love to know your thoughts on how to deal with our current situation.
abandonliberty 11y ago
how about 'wehavesomethingtohide' ? I understand that we're in an individualistic society, and that personal concerns are more effective at driving behavior than societal concerns, but as the responses here show that many people equate hiding with guilt we might as well address both :)

The name is provacative, it is on purpose. A better phrase could have been, "we, as a society, have things to hide from companies and government", but it was too long :)

mpobrien 11y ago

Isn't that still missing the point? We don't want to be spied on period, whether there are things to hide or not.

kevin_thibedeau 11y ago
It is the response to the argument that "If you don't have something to hide, you shouldn't mind having your rights trampled on" with the attendant presumption that anyone with something to hide must be a criminal or a T7t.
- Roodgorf 11y ago
  T7t? I'm not familiar with that term and my Google-fu is apparently not strong enough.
  - SloopJon 11y ago
    Like i18n or l10n: nine-letter word, starts and ends with "t", rhymes with "bogey man." Edit: and no, I've never seen this particular abbreviation.
  - pierreozoux 11y ago
    Terrorist (It's like i18n stands for internationalization, )
abandonliberty 11y ago
We need to get comfortable with the fact that having things to hide does not make us guilty, criminal, or unethical. Whether it's dick pictures, political views, or associations with questionable NSA targeted groups like UNICEF[1]. I argue that it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy. http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_spying_on_humanitarian_groups_like_unicef_medecins_du_monde.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/05/22/nsa_gchq_...
- saraid216 11y ago
  I firmly disagree. Hiding things is a hack; the actual solution is to change society such that exposure entails no significant consequences. Sure, as a band-aid to make existing real people feel secure? Hiding things and keeping them hidden is fine. It's just an indicator of how far we as a society still have to go. Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact argument used by the government against things like Wikileaks. The exact argument.
  - greggman 11y ago
    I'm not sure I follow your logic. So are you saying if we were a further advanced society people could have sex a crowded bus or restaurant and we should just all accept it and not expect them to get some privacy? I'm not suggesting anyone should be ashamed of sex. I am suggesting that most people want that moment to be private and even those that around them want them to keep it private as well.
    - saraid216 11y ago
      If you don't think that people having sex in public should be ashamed, why did you bring it up?
  - deleted 11y ago
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  - tertius 11y ago
    "Do remember: "it's our responsibility to hide things to support freedom and democracy" is the exact argument used by the government against things like Wikileaks. The exact argument." The government does not have the right to privacy, we do. And exercising that right is well doing something we have the right to do. Exercising free speech is good. Don't you think?
  - abandonliberty 11y ago
    Your suggestion is like arguing that we needn't worry about food production because we could have Star Trek replicators. I would very much like to live in your utopia, but until then we have to handle the reality: http://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believe_the_government_should_be_allowed_to/cd89cqr http://np.reddit.com/r/changemyview/comments/1fv4r6/i_believ... I would love to know your thoughts on how to deal with our current situation.

abandonliberty 11y ago

how about 'wehavesomethingtohide' ? I understand that we're in an individualistic society, and that personal concerns are more effective at driving behavior than societal concerns, but as the responses here show that many people equate hiding with guilt we might as well address both :)