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I don't understand why the campaigns against alcohol have been so unsuccessful. It is amazing that so many people have no issue with losing control mentally und

I don't understand why the campaigns against alcohol have been so unsuccessful. It is amazing that so many people have no issue with losing control mentally under the influence of alcohol and those same people think it is scary that I would like to try LSD.

Retric 11y ago
The US has seen a significant reduction in drunk driving which seems to be the only real anti drinking campaign. Low levels of drinking seem to be promoted both with direct advertizing and news coverage as both heathy and expected with a minor "be careful" undertone. So, it more or less seems like things are working as intended. http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/history.html http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/history.html
- tyho 11y ago
  Please drink responsibly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo
peteretep 11y ago
Normal alcohol dosage doesn't lead to massive loss of control
- jpatokal 11y ago
  Neither does normal drug use. It's the alcoholics (read: alcohol drug abusers) who let things get out of hand.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Someone who is alcoholic will be drinking vast quantities of alcohol everyday. A person can drink far far less than that and suffer ill effects because of alcohol.
- saiya-jin 11y ago
  Alcohol is drug like any other. I guess everybody seen some people get aggressive even on moderate alcohol high. Tobacco is probably the worst drug ever consumed by man, considering amount of death and suffering it causes... None of drugs are a blessing to mankind, but to consider A OK and even promote it, and destroy people's lives and promote drug cartels for B, where many times B is not more harmful then A is... stupid. And we as society want to evolve and get better, right?
  - MichaelGG 11y ago
    > None of drugs are a blessing to mankind Great for you that you never needed medication. Meanwhile, millions of people do, and drugs, from mood stabilizers to opiates to psychedelics, directly and dramatically increase the quality of life for many people.
  - tajen 11y ago
    > I guess everybody seen some people get aggressive on alcohol I'm French and when I moved to Australia, I was surprised that people were violent under alcohol. The very broad generalization for me was that for some reason, anglosaxon people were violent under the effect of alcohol: Was it because boys were told that alcohol made them violent? According to the linked study, there is indeed a large difference of alcohol-related patterns per country. Hence, violence is partly cultural. Findings from survey research further suggest that alcohol’s contributing role may be at least partly attributable to the perpetrator’s drinking pattern and expectations about the effects of alcohol. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170096/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170096/
  - vonmoltke 11y ago
    > Tobacco is probably the worst drug ever consumed by man, considering amount of death and suffering it causes... That is only because tobacco is much more widespread than meth, crack, and opium. The dangers of tobacco get inflated almost as much the dangers of other drugs get deflated.
- juliangregorian 11y ago
  What's a "normal alcohol dosage"? When I was younger I used to blackout drink every weekend, and most of my friends did too. Very normal, definitely "massive loss of control".
  - talmand 11y ago
    The first time you black out, you know your own personal "maximum alcohol dosage". After that, scale back to find your "normal alcohol dosage" and act accordingly.
    - juliangregorian 11y ago
      Interesting definition for the word "normal" you have there.
      - talmand 11y ago
        Why?
      - nostrebored 11y ago
        I think that not giving myself brain damage is normal. While I've never gotten blackout drunk, I've gotten close, and I know what the buildup to blacking out feels like, and I always stop drinking if I get that feeling. All of my friends do the same.
        juliangregorian 11y ago
        Being blackout drunk doesn't feel like anything. You just can't remember anything after a certain point the night before. And while I appreciate the moralizing, I don't hang out with those people anymore, but for a lot of people it is "normal" in the sense that it is what they do habitually and with the tacit approval of their social circle.
        nostrebored 11y ago
- atom-morgan 11y ago
  Nearly all of my drug related regrets were under the influence of alcohol.
- mvanvoorden 11y ago
  Normal or small dosage of LSD also doesn't lead to loss of control. Personally, even a big dosage has never lead to massive loss of control.
- vectorpush 11y ago
  Unlike most other drugs, alcohol intoxication greatly increases the likelihood that you will consume more alcohol, thus leading to a compounding cycle that can very quickly lead to an unintentional "massive loss of control". Unintentionally consuming more than a "normal dose" is perhaps the quintessential regret of habitual alcohol users.
  - peteretep 11y ago
    > Unlike most other drugs, alcohol intoxication greatly > increases the likelihood that you will consume more > alcohol Unlike most other drugs? Your dealer may be ripping you off and selling you baby powder. Try giving someone a 300ml dose of Everclear and see if their alcohol consumption increases after that. Now give someone a line of cocaine and tell them you have some more on you, and time how long it is before they suggest taking some more...
- angersock 11y ago
  Neither does LSD...?
tokenadult 11y ago
I don't understand why the campaigns against alcohol have been so unsuccessful. Alcohol is very easy to manufacture in secret.
- CWuestefeld 11y ago
  And, by the way, can easily yield the poisonous methanol variation accidentally. This wasn't uncommon during prohibition, and many people were harmed, blinded, or killed, by drinking it. This is a very close parallel to what we see in the (failed) War on (some) Drugs, where many people are harmed by overdoses because the products wind up tainted, or aren't produced to any uniform potency.
  - tmoullet 11y ago
    I thought the people who were killed by methanol poisoning was a deliberate side effect of the ATF adding it into liquor/beer supply in order to make consumers second guess their decision to drink. EDIT: see denatured alcohol at any hardware store.
  - iak8god 11y ago
    This is only a concern with distilled spirits.
  - fyrabanks 11y ago
    Methanol poisoning was an deliberate act by the government during Prohibition. https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poi...
roymurdock 11y ago
It's the most socially acceptable drug (in fact many social situations almost force you to drink), and there's no (known) risk of cancer from abuse.
- jobu 11y ago
  The risk of death (from overdose) is pretty significant compared to drugs such as marijuana
- simplexion 11y ago
  There are lots of known risks of cancer from excess alcohol consumption. Not sure why you would think otherwise.

Retric 11y ago

The US has seen a significant reduction in drunk driving which seems to be the only real anti drinking campaign. Low levels of drinking seem to be promoted both with direct advertizing and news coverage as both heathy and expected with a minor "be careful" undertone. So, it more or less seems like things are working as intended. http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/history.html http://www.madd.org/drunk-driving/about/history.html

tyho 11y ago
Please drink responsibly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrVLB3MtUjo

peteretep 11y ago

Normal alcohol dosage doesn't lead to massive loss of control

jpatokal 11y ago
Neither does normal drug use. It's the alcoholics (read: alcohol drug abusers) who let things get out of hand.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Someone who is alcoholic will be drinking vast quantities of alcohol everyday. A person can drink far far less than that and suffer ill effects because of alcohol.
saiya-jin 11y ago
Alcohol is drug like any other. I guess everybody seen some people get aggressive even on moderate alcohol high. Tobacco is probably the worst drug ever consumed by man, considering amount of death and suffering it causes... None of drugs are a blessing to mankind, but to consider A OK and even promote it, and destroy people's lives and promote drug cartels for B, where many times B is not more harmful then A is... stupid. And we as society want to evolve and get better, right?
- MichaelGG 11y ago
  > None of drugs are a blessing to mankind Great for you that you never needed medication. Meanwhile, millions of people do, and drugs, from mood stabilizers to opiates to psychedelics, directly and dramatically increase the quality of life for many people.
- tajen 11y ago
  > I guess everybody seen some people get aggressive on alcohol I'm French and when I moved to Australia, I was surprised that people were violent under alcohol. The very broad generalization for me was that for some reason, anglosaxon people were violent under the effect of alcohol: Was it because boys were told that alcohol made them violent? According to the linked study, there is indeed a large difference of alcohol-related patterns per country. Hence, violence is partly cultural. Findings from survey research further suggest that alcohol’s contributing role may be at least partly attributable to the perpetrator’s drinking pattern and expectations about the effects of alcohol. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170096/ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170096/
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  > Tobacco is probably the worst drug ever consumed by man, considering amount of death and suffering it causes... That is only because tobacco is much more widespread than meth, crack, and opium. The dangers of tobacco get inflated almost as much the dangers of other drugs get deflated.
juliangregorian 11y ago
What's a "normal alcohol dosage"? When I was younger I used to blackout drink every weekend, and most of my friends did too. Very normal, definitely "massive loss of control".
- talmand 11y ago
  The first time you black out, you know your own personal "maximum alcohol dosage". After that, scale back to find your "normal alcohol dosage" and act accordingly.
  - juliangregorian 11y ago
    Interesting definition for the word "normal" you have there.
    - talmand 11y ago
      Why?
    - nostrebored 11y ago
      I think that not giving myself brain damage is normal. While I've never gotten blackout drunk, I've gotten close, and I know what the buildup to blacking out feels like, and I always stop drinking if I get that feeling. All of my friends do the same.
      - juliangregorian 11y ago
        Being blackout drunk doesn't feel like anything. You just can't remember anything after a certain point the night before. And while I appreciate the moralizing, I don't hang out with those people anymore, but for a lot of people it is "normal" in the sense that it is what they do habitually and with the tacit approval of their social circle.
        nostrebored 11y ago
atom-morgan 11y ago
Nearly all of my drug related regrets were under the influence of alcohol.
mvanvoorden 11y ago
Normal or small dosage of LSD also doesn't lead to loss of control. Personally, even a big dosage has never lead to massive loss of control.
vectorpush 11y ago
Unlike most other drugs, alcohol intoxication greatly increases the likelihood that you will consume more alcohol, thus leading to a compounding cycle that can very quickly lead to an unintentional "massive loss of control". Unintentionally consuming more than a "normal dose" is perhaps the quintessential regret of habitual alcohol users.
- peteretep 11y ago
  > Unlike most other drugs, alcohol intoxication greatly > increases the likelihood that you will consume more > alcohol Unlike most other drugs? Your dealer may be ripping you off and selling you baby powder. Try giving someone a 300ml dose of Everclear and see if their alcohol consumption increases after that. Now give someone a line of cocaine and tell them you have some more on you, and time how long it is before they suggest taking some more...
angersock 11y ago
Neither does LSD...?

tokenadult 11y ago

I don't understand why the campaigns against alcohol have been so unsuccessful. Alcohol is very easy to manufacture in secret.

CWuestefeld 11y ago
And, by the way, can easily yield the poisonous methanol variation accidentally. This wasn't uncommon during prohibition, and many people were harmed, blinded, or killed, by drinking it. This is a very close parallel to what we see in the (failed) War on (some) Drugs, where many people are harmed by overdoses because the products wind up tainted, or aren't produced to any uniform potency.
- tmoullet 11y ago
  I thought the people who were killed by methanol poisoning was a deliberate side effect of the ATF adding it into liquor/beer supply in order to make consumers second guess their decision to drink. EDIT: see denatured alcohol at any hardware store.
- iak8god 11y ago
  This is only a concern with distilled spirits.
- fyrabanks 11y ago
  Methanol poisoning was an deliberate act by the government during Prohibition. https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poison https://www.vox.com/2014/8/8/5975605/alcohol-prohibition-poi...

roymurdock 11y ago

It's the most socially acceptable drug (in fact many social situations almost force you to drink), and there's no (known) risk of cancer from abuse.

jobu 11y ago
The risk of death (from overdose) is pretty significant compared to drugs such as marijuana
simplexion 11y ago
There are lots of known risks of cancer from excess alcohol consumption. Not sure why you would think otherwise.