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You don't trust the EFF?

mondoshawan22 11y ago
No, not in the slightest. The EFF is a non-profit organization that exists to lobby for policy change. No such organization is worthy of much in the way of trust -- especially for such a sensitive instrument.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  What organization would you consider more trustworthy?
  - mondoshawan22 11y ago
    A non-profit, apolitical organization dedicated to identity verification and management of a PKI trust, whose charter includes yearly audits of its systems.
- Frondo 11y ago
  To look at the history and charter of the EFF and say you don't trust them "in the slightest" is a bit ridiculous. It's hard to take that kind of remark seriously. Look at who's involved and what they've done, and dismiss that under the broad strokes of "no such organization is worthy of trust"? Nonsense.
  - mondoshawan22 11y ago
    I don't care who's involved, honestly. The problem is that they're a lobby and they actively push for policy changes. That's a full time job in and of itself -- identity verification is also a full time job, and a requirement of a properly functioning PKI. What I want involved is an identity verification organization whose mission is clearly defined to be identity verification and management of a PKI trust.
mahouse 11y ago
I do not, and I do not like them either. They are a liberal lobby.
- PhasmaFelis 11y ago
  Which specific EFF policies/goals are you opposed to?
  - mahouse 11y ago
    Off the top of my head: the bashing of Rob Graham, the defense of concepts that have nothing to do with our rights on the Internet, such as feminism.
    - PhasmaFelis 11y ago
      I just spent several minutes googling for "EFF" in conjunction with "feminism" and didn't find anything that appeared to be relevant. I did the same for Rob Graham, and he apparently doesn't like the EFF, but I haven't found the EFF saying anything about him yet. I'm sure someone associated with the EFF has mentioned these things at some point, but they don't appear to be major issues. Could you give me some links?
      - mahouse 11y ago
        Feminism: most of their staff are feminists. I'm not going to spend my time googling and posting links. Here's a start https://www.eff.org/about/staff https://www.eff.org/about/staff Rob Graham was called out in this article which was subsequently edited: https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/553716844650307584 https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/553716844650307584 Also, they lie constantly, in lousy attempts of populism and being lavished with attention: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/eff-lies-about-netneutrality.html http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/eff-lies-about-netneutrali...
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No, not in the slightest. The EFF is a non-profit organization that exists to lobby for policy change. No such organization is worthy of much in the way of trust -- especially for such a sensitive instrument.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago
What organization would you consider more trustworthy?
- mondoshawan22 11y ago
  A non-profit, apolitical organization dedicated to identity verification and management of a PKI trust, whose charter includes yearly audits of its systems.
Frondo 11y ago
To look at the history and charter of the EFF and say you don't trust them "in the slightest" is a bit ridiculous. It's hard to take that kind of remark seriously. Look at who's involved and what they've done, and dismiss that under the broad strokes of "no such organization is worthy of trust"? Nonsense.
- mondoshawan22 11y ago
  I don't care who's involved, honestly. The problem is that they're a lobby and they actively push for policy changes. That's a full time job in and of itself -- identity verification is also a full time job, and a requirement of a properly functioning PKI. What I want involved is an identity verification organization whose mission is clearly defined to be identity verification and management of a PKI trust.

mahouse 11y ago

I do not, and I do not like them either. They are a liberal lobby.

PhasmaFelis 11y ago
Which specific EFF policies/goals are you opposed to?
- mahouse 11y ago
  Off the top of my head: the bashing of Rob Graham, the defense of concepts that have nothing to do with our rights on the Internet, such as feminism.
  - PhasmaFelis 11y ago
    I just spent several minutes googling for "EFF" in conjunction with "feminism" and didn't find anything that appeared to be relevant. I did the same for Rob Graham, and he apparently doesn't like the EFF, but I haven't found the EFF saying anything about him yet. I'm sure someone associated with the EFF has mentioned these things at some point, but they don't appear to be major issues. Could you give me some links?
    - mahouse 11y ago
      Feminism: most of their staff are feminists. I'm not going to spend my time googling and posting links. Here's a start https://www.eff.org/about/staff https://www.eff.org/about/staff Rob Graham was called out in this article which was subsequently edited: https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/553716844650307584 https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/553716844650307584 Also, they lie constantly, in lousy attempts of populism and being lavished with attention: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/eff-lies-about-netneutrality.html http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/eff-lies-about-netneutrali...
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