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I'm sooooo glad I was paying a yearly fee for a VIP membership... and now I can't even get a copy of my playlists. All of those obscure songs I fell in love wit

by FooNull 11y ago

I'm sooooo glad I was paying a yearly fee for a VIP membership... and now I can't even get a copy of my playlists. All of those obscure songs I fell in love with are gone. I wonder if the information they turned over included my credit card billing data... <sigh> Is it time to build a personal, private, self-hosted, open-source grooveshark clone?

Syrup-tan 11y ago
I hope playlist data wasn't part of the settlement, and that we will be able to recover it. It would be detrimental to the artists to have some of their fans not be able to find them again, right? Perhaps record companies care less about the artists which are forgettable in the first place.
- jglovier 11y ago
  My best guess is that the playlist data (and any other relevant user data) is probably the reason the legal action even happened. What's honesty more valuable to whichever company is primarily responsible for the suit: the profits said company stands to gain now that Grooveshark is out of the way, or the behavioral user data of 10 years of internet music streaming on a front-runner service? My bet is on the later.
dublinben 11y ago
You can already run your own streaming service with Subsonic today. What are you waiting for?
- FooNull 11y ago
  http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp ? This seems like an interesting project. I've never heard about it before, though I do wish it was an open-source one...
  - __david__ 11y ago
    Subsonic is GPL. I've been running it for a few years now. I especially like using it with iSub on iOS, though that isn't under active development anymore (it's GPL now, too).
    - ncza 11y ago
      The official android app seems closed source though.
      - dublinben 11y ago
        Both Subsonic and the unofficial DSub can be found on F-Droid.
- fletchowns 11y ago
  Subsonic + iSub is absolutely wonderful, been a huge fan of that combo for years.
- Oriyta 11y ago
  I moved personally to Ampache http://ampache.org http://ampache.org which I found lighter and smoother than Subsonic, and it is working with Subsonic clients.
hurin 11y ago
You could do some anonymous block-chain ledger type-service, really doubt that it would win over simply bit-torrent though, and ultimately I'm kind of biased since I really would prefer that real creators get to exercise their rights.
- 13 11y ago
  What is this blind obsession with "THIS NEEDS A BLOCKCHAIN!!!!!!!"? There's nothing, absolutely nothing, in a system of storing playlists which needs decentralized canonical ordering. A blockchain is literally one of the most inefficient ways of storing data imaginable, and serves no purpose here other than a buzz word.
  - derefr 11y ago
    Some people have never heard of a DHT, and think that "blockchain" is a workable primitive instead of a high-level tool. It's like immediately jumping to "let's create a table for that in Postgres" instead of first considering whether the problem could be solved with a dictionary. Also, if people are looking for something to use as a primitive, I'd much rather they look at Freenet. :)
  - colordrops 11y ago
    > There's nothing, absolutely nothing No, there is something. You could use the blockchain as a decentralized torrent tracker.
    - 13 11y ago
      Why on earth does that need canonical ordering.
      - colordrops 11y ago
        It's not about the canonical ordering. It's about storing the pointers to files in a way that cannot be taken down by authorities. The playlists themselves could be stored anywhere, including but not necessarily in the blockchain.
bane 11y ago
Not really open source, but plex works pretty well for hosting and making your private collection accessible. Works awesome with chromescasts as well.
mikewhy 11y ago
You can connect an existing iTunes library to Plex and stream it anywhere. You can also have Plex organize your music, but I've only ever used the iTunes part
largote 11y ago
I switched from Grooveshark VIP to Spotify Premium years ago, however I came back every once in a while to listen to remixes that were not available elsewhere from time to time. I'm sad that there's not even access to the playlists anymore.
- xtracto 11y ago
  A couple of weeks ago I discovered (In Grooveshark) an album of "Ninja Gaiden 2: The Dark Sword of Chaos" remix, which was actually really good. The only place were this album was available was in Grooveshark. Now I'll never be able to listen to it again. That's quite sad. Also, services like Rdio (I am a subscriber), spotify and the like don't have all the music I listen to (or is not available in my country). For example this album: http://www.rdio.com/artist/Stratovarius/album/Visions/?apSource=a227375 http://www.rdio.com/artist/Stratovarius/album/Visions/?apSou... I cannot listen... even though I am a paying member, and the funniest thing is that I have the CD at my mom's house, were I bought it about 13 years ago. Grooveshark (like AllOfMP3 on its time) was years light from the paying services...
  - Macha 11y ago
    Did any of the remixes come from here? http://ocremix.org/game/135/ninja-gaiden-ii-the-dark-sword-of-chaos-nes http://ocremix.org/game/135/ninja-gaiden-ii-the-dark-sword-o...
toomuchtodo 11y ago
> Is it time to build a personal, private, self-hosted, open-source grooveshark clone? Popcorn Time [1] meets Spotify? [1] https://popcorntime.io/ https://popcorntime.io/
- hobs 11y ago
  Sort of already exists, for usenet at least https://github.com/rembo10/headphones https://github.com/rembo10/headphones
- xrjn 11y ago
  There used to be HipHop [0], a simple app that scraped mp3 sites and streamed music from them. Although it was fully functional (and still appears to work on my side), there is no music discovery, only search - which is a limiting factor for this app. Previous discussion on hn [1]. [0] https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7850613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7850613
- csmattryder 11y ago
  I tried building an primitive version of that idea a few years ago, called Downstream [1] that scoured MP3 spider sites for URLs, then fed them into AxWMPLib (MS's drop-in media player). It had a few ideas that were before their time, like a playlist DJ, and what a 17 year old me thought passed for a 'stylish UI' [2] [1] https://github.com/MattRyder/Downstream https://github.com/MattRyder/Downstream [2] http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/328000/328491/downstream-03-700x365.png http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/328000/328491/downs...
TheLoneWolfling 11y ago
If you don't have an external backup, don't complain about losing data. Services like Grooveshark are no exception.
- FooNull 11y ago
  Yes. Obviously. I should have been downloading the tracks I was listening too and wring my own scripts to parse and save my playlist data with the full expectation that the service I had been paying for would be terminated without warning... Guess I'll know for next time.
  - feybay 11y ago
    There were add-ons to seamless download songs as you played them, as we as playlists
  - lmm 11y ago
    Honestly, yes. Even if you were paying money for it, Grooveshark was blatantly, flagrantly illegal.
jeena 11y ago
I wrote about my self-hosted alternative https://jeena.net/private-music-streaming https://jeena.net/private-music-streaming
lcfg 11y ago
You can probably recover your playlist. (Instructions for Chrome) On the computer you used grooveshark on: visit the website, open developer tools, open "resources tab", click on local storage->grooveshark.com. Now find the key called 'libraryXXXXXX' where the X's are numbers. Right-click it, "edit value" and copy/paste that data here: https://json-csv.com https://json-csv.com. Source of instructions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/34goss/meta_grooveshark_shut_down_forever_today/cqupd1g http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/34goss/meta_groovesha...
- lsergius10 11y ago
  I just made an account on this site so I could tell you this, but you just saved the last four years of my music collection. I can't tell you how incredibly thankful I am right now.
  - elelegargar 11y ago
    I just made an account also only to tell yuo that I am incredibly grateful for your help, my music is really important to me and you just saved my several-year collection. THANK YOU!!!
- coryfklein 11y ago
  Late, but if your library gets truncated because it is huge like mine, you can instead get it by opening the console and typing JSON.stringify(localStorage); while on grooveshark.com
VikingIV 11y ago
http://www.soundtrack.io/ http://www.soundtrack.io/ is well under way from the Coding Soundtrack community that came together when TurnTable.fm was alive.

by FooNull 11y ago

Syrup-tan 11y ago

I hope playlist data wasn't part of the settlement, and that we will be able to recover it. It would be detrimental to the artists to have some of their fans not be able to find them again, right? Perhaps record companies care less about the artists which are forgettable in the first place.

jglovier 11y ago
My best guess is that the playlist data (and any other relevant user data) is probably the reason the legal action even happened. What's honesty more valuable to whichever company is primarily responsible for the suit: the profits said company stands to gain now that Grooveshark is out of the way, or the behavioral user data of 10 years of internet music streaming on a front-runner service? My bet is on the later.

dublinben 11y ago

You can already run your own streaming service with Subsonic today. What are you waiting for?

FooNull 11y ago
http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp ? This seems like an interesting project. I've never heard about it before, though I do wish it was an open-source one...
- __david__ 11y ago
  Subsonic is GPL. I've been running it for a few years now. I especially like using it with iSub on iOS, though that isn't under active development anymore (it's GPL now, too).
  - ncza 11y ago
    The official android app seems closed source though.
    - dublinben 11y ago
      Both Subsonic and the unofficial DSub can be found on F-Droid.
fletchowns 11y ago
Subsonic + iSub is absolutely wonderful, been a huge fan of that combo for years.
Oriyta 11y ago
I moved personally to Ampache http://ampache.org http://ampache.org which I found lighter and smoother than Subsonic, and it is working with Subsonic clients.

hurin 11y ago

You could do some anonymous block-chain ledger type-service, really doubt that it would win over simply bit-torrent though, and ultimately I'm kind of biased since I really would prefer that real creators get to exercise their rights.

13 11y ago
What is this blind obsession with "THIS NEEDS A BLOCKCHAIN!!!!!!!"? There's nothing, absolutely nothing, in a system of storing playlists which needs decentralized canonical ordering. A blockchain is literally one of the most inefficient ways of storing data imaginable, and serves no purpose here other than a buzz word.
- derefr 11y ago
  Some people have never heard of a DHT, and think that "blockchain" is a workable primitive instead of a high-level tool. It's like immediately jumping to "let's create a table for that in Postgres" instead of first considering whether the problem could be solved with a dictionary. Also, if people are looking for something to use as a primitive, I'd much rather they look at Freenet. :)
- colordrops 11y ago
  > There's nothing, absolutely nothing No, there is something. You could use the blockchain as a decentralized torrent tracker.
  - 13 11y ago
    Why on earth does that need canonical ordering.
    - colordrops 11y ago
      It's not about the canonical ordering. It's about storing the pointers to files in a way that cannot be taken down by authorities. The playlists themselves could be stored anywhere, including but not necessarily in the blockchain.

bane 11y ago

Not really open source, but plex works pretty well for hosting and making your private collection accessible. Works awesome with chromescasts as well.

mikewhy 11y ago

You can connect an existing iTunes library to Plex and stream it anywhere. You can also have Plex organize your music, but I've only ever used the iTunes part

largote 11y ago

I switched from Grooveshark VIP to Spotify Premium years ago, however I came back every once in a while to listen to remixes that were not available elsewhere from time to time. I'm sad that there's not even access to the playlists anymore.

xtracto 11y ago
A couple of weeks ago I discovered (In Grooveshark) an album of "Ninja Gaiden 2: The Dark Sword of Chaos" remix, which was actually really good. The only place were this album was available was in Grooveshark. Now I'll never be able to listen to it again. That's quite sad. Also, services like Rdio (I am a subscriber), spotify and the like don't have all the music I listen to (or is not available in my country). For example this album: http://www.rdio.com/artist/Stratovarius/album/Visions/?apSource=a227375 http://www.rdio.com/artist/Stratovarius/album/Visions/?apSou... I cannot listen... even though I am a paying member, and the funniest thing is that I have the CD at my mom's house, were I bought it about 13 years ago. Grooveshark (like AllOfMP3 on its time) was years light from the paying services...
- Macha 11y ago
  Did any of the remixes come from here? http://ocremix.org/game/135/ninja-gaiden-ii-the-dark-sword-of-chaos-nes http://ocremix.org/game/135/ninja-gaiden-ii-the-dark-sword-o...

toomuchtodo 11y ago

> Is it time to build a personal, private, self-hosted, open-source grooveshark clone? Popcorn Time [1] meets Spotify? [1] https://popcorntime.io/ https://popcorntime.io/

hobs 11y ago
Sort of already exists, for usenet at least https://github.com/rembo10/headphones https://github.com/rembo10/headphones
xrjn 11y ago
There used to be HipHop [0], a simple app that scraped mp3 sites and streamed music from them. Although it was fully functional (and still appears to work on my side), there is no music discovery, only search - which is a limiting factor for this app. Previous discussion on hn [1]. [0] https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop https://github.com/hiphopapp/hiphop [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7850613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7850613
csmattryder 11y ago
I tried building an primitive version of that idea a few years ago, called Downstream [1] that scoured MP3 spider sites for URLs, then fed them into AxWMPLib (MS's drop-in media player). It had a few ideas that were before their time, like a playlist DJ, and what a 17 year old me thought passed for a 'stylish UI' [2] [1] https://github.com/MattRyder/Downstream https://github.com/MattRyder/Downstream [2] http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/328000/328491/downstream-03-700x365.png http://screenshots.en.sftcdn.net/en/scrn/328000/328491/downs...

TheLoneWolfling 11y ago

If you don't have an external backup, don't complain about losing data. Services like Grooveshark are no exception.

FooNull 11y ago
Yes. Obviously. I should have been downloading the tracks I was listening too and wring my own scripts to parse and save my playlist data with the full expectation that the service I had been paying for would be terminated without warning... Guess I'll know for next time.
- feybay 11y ago
  There were add-ons to seamless download songs as you played them, as we as playlists
- lmm 11y ago
  Honestly, yes. Even if you were paying money for it, Grooveshark was blatantly, flagrantly illegal.

jeena 11y ago

I wrote about my self-hosted alternative https://jeena.net/private-music-streaming https://jeena.net/private-music-streaming

lcfg 11y ago

You can probably recover your playlist. (Instructions for Chrome) On the computer you used grooveshark on: visit the website, open developer tools, open "resources tab", click on local storage->grooveshark.com. Now find the key called 'libraryXXXXXX' where the X's are numbers. Right-click it, "edit value" and copy/paste that data here: https://json-csv.com https://json-csv.com. Source of instructions: http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/34goss/meta_grooveshark_shut_down_forever_today/cqupd1g http://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/34goss/meta_groovesha...

lsergius10 11y ago
I just made an account on this site so I could tell you this, but you just saved the last four years of my music collection. I can't tell you how incredibly thankful I am right now.
- elelegargar 11y ago
  I just made an account also only to tell yuo that I am incredibly grateful for your help, my music is really important to me and you just saved my several-year collection. THANK YOU!!!
coryfklein 11y ago
Late, but if your library gets truncated because it is huge like mine, you can instead get it by opening the console and typing JSON.stringify(localStorage); while on grooveshark.com

VikingIV 11y ago

http://www.soundtrack.io/ http://www.soundtrack.io/ is well under way from the Coding Soundtrack community that came together when TurnTable.fm was alive.