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The new artificial boundaries are only recreating the natural boundaries from before. If you wanted to boost your fuel/air ratio in 1965 you had to open your h

by stolio 11y ago

The new artificial boundaries are only recreating the natural boundaries from before. If you wanted to boost your fuel/air ratio in 1965 you had to open your hood and take apart your carburetor, that keeps most people out of it. Now we're talking about downloading iPhone apps that promise 10% more speed and the only technical challenge is aligning your car's USB plug with your phone. And then hitting the big green button labeled "GO FASTER!"

Gracana 11y ago
> Now we're talking about downloading iPhone apps that promise 10% more speed That doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard of. Many manufacturers require expensive subscriptions to access service manuals and programming software.[1] The average person (and even a lot of small-time mechanics) doesn't have access to those resources. [1] http://www.nastf.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3291 http://www.nastf.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3291
- stolio 11y ago
  You haven't heard of it because it's too stupid and dangerous to allow to happen. But it's a natural consequence of car ownership including read-write access to its computers.
  - bri3d 11y ago
    Many cars have had externally reprogrammable ECUs since the mid 1990s (with lots being fully reverse engineered), but yet tuning is still relatively esoteric and generally very expensive. What do you think has changed / will change that will lead to an onslaught of dangerous amateur tuning by phone? The technology to do so has existed for years.
    - freehunter 11y ago
      It exists in other motor vehicles. My last roommate had a quad where he would tune the ECU with software on his laptop depending on where he was riding and what parts he had installed.
    - stolio 11y ago
      Falling barriers. Like you say, tuning is currently very expensive. The financial and technical costs act as an idiot filter (forgive my negativity.) Those barriers are falling so we're left with artificial costs i.e. legal penalties and intentional code obfuscation.
- projct 11y ago
  ECU flashes don't require much more than software and the right kind of cable.
Spooky23 11y ago
Huh? I knew kids in high school who could barely read who could tune old cars without much of a problem. Now you need a computer, hard to find software, special cables, etc.

by stolio 11y ago

Gracana 11y ago

> Now we're talking about downloading iPhone apps that promise 10% more speed That doesn't sound like anything I've ever heard of. Many manufacturers require expensive subscriptions to access service manuals and programming software.[1] The average person (and even a lot of small-time mechanics) doesn't have access to those resources. [1] http://www.nastf.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3291 http://www.nastf.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=3291

stolio 11y ago
You haven't heard of it because it's too stupid and dangerous to allow to happen. But it's a natural consequence of car ownership including read-write access to its computers.
- bri3d 11y ago
  Many cars have had externally reprogrammable ECUs since the mid 1990s (with lots being fully reverse engineered), but yet tuning is still relatively esoteric and generally very expensive. What do you think has changed / will change that will lead to an onslaught of dangerous amateur tuning by phone? The technology to do so has existed for years.
  - freehunter 11y ago
    It exists in other motor vehicles. My last roommate had a quad where he would tune the ECU with software on his laptop depending on where he was riding and what parts he had installed.
  - stolio 11y ago
    Falling barriers. Like you say, tuning is currently very expensive. The financial and technical costs act as an idiot filter (forgive my negativity.) Those barriers are falling so we're left with artificial costs i.e. legal penalties and intentional code obfuscation.
projct 11y ago
ECU flashes don't require much more than software and the right kind of cable.

Spooky23 11y ago

Huh? I knew kids in high school who could barely read who could tune old cars without much of a problem. Now you need a computer, hard to find software, special cables, etc.