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Is it me or does everyone and their mother have a gTLD these days? I would not take any company that uses a gTLD serious at all.

jitl 11y ago
what's wrong with having gTLD? Seeing lots of this new TLD hate, I want to understand the reasoning.
- sneak 11y ago
  Adding random things at the root of a hierarchy subverts the entire idea of having a hierarchy in the first place.
  - dagw 11y ago
    This battle was lost the second people started using .net and .org for things that wheren't related network technologies and non-profit orgranizations respectively. The nail was driven into the coffin when people started using country tld's for sites that had nothing to do with that country. If anything this might be step back in the right direction. Whereas I cannot tell anything about the nature or origin of a site based on the fact that it has a .net or .ly tld, I will be able to tell something about nature and origin of a site if it has a .google or .apple tld.
    - sneak 11y ago
      Misusing the hierarchy is different than subverting it entirely. Also, your last statement isn't true.
    - josteink 11y ago
      Or .Sony, except there is no guarantee Sony corp actually registered that TLD.
      - amyjess 11y ago
        Hey, I remember the .sony floppy driver bug on '90s Macs! Wow. Such nostalgia.
      - CydeWeys 11y ago
        Sony does own the .sony gTLD: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-2014081-sony-16mar15-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-2014081-... More generally, as part of ICANN's gTLD approval process, if the gTLD being applied for is a trademark, then it can't go to anyone else besides the trademark holder. So there's actually a lot more assurances that you are dealing with who you expect to be dealing with with gTLDs versus random domain names on .com.
        kedean 11y ago
        Honest question, trademarked according to who? The Internet is a global thing now, so who wins if there's two entities that happen to both have valid claims to a trademark?
        josteink 11y ago
        First one to pay icann money obviously.
- creshal 11y ago
  The TLD system is arguably broken, because it never turned out as hierarchical as it was supposed to. All the new TLDs do is force people to shell out more money to squat on pointless domains to avoid them being used for fraud (or, worse, by the competition).
  - icebraining 11y ago
    Or it makes them finally realize how silly the "we must have them all" is.
    - bulte-rs 11y ago
      Who are you to call millions of pokemon fans silly?
    - creshal 11y ago
      Not happening in my experience. As long as everyone in the industry is earning their share from this madness they'll happily "suggest optimizations to the domain portfolio" of their vict^Wcustomers.
codecondo 11y ago
http://try.everyone/ http://try.everyone/ http://and.theirmother/ http://and.theirmother/
- ikeboy 11y ago
  I was so hoping for that to be a thing.
wwwhizz 11y ago
Yes, let's not take Google serious.
mmahemoff 11y ago
You wouldn't take Google seriously? I'm sure they didn't fork out just for today, they will be using it for their products at some point. In a few years, it will probably the standard domain for big corps. iphone.apple, macbook.apple, etc. It looks weird now (or an intranet address at best), but once people get used to it, it will be recognisable as a domain just as any.com is now. Not to mention, an explosion of TLDs for reselling (.futbol .enterprise etc) means people will just equate . on billboards etc with a domain.
- BetaMechazawa 11y ago
  The fact that a company needs their own gTLD is silly. Sites like google have a perfectly good domain. Why use iphone.apple if apple can already do iphone.apple.com or apple.com/iphone? At the end of the day the consumer will not start guessing what domain he/she has to use to get what they want. The average consumer uses a search engine and types in "apple iphone". They don't care about iphone.apple they just want to go to the product page.
  - vacri 11y ago
    Well, it's not about need. It's about a story that goes like this: ICANN: Hey, has anyone noticed that our wallets aren't very heavy? Google: We have a bucketload of money just laying around that will fill your wallets, and wouldn't mind our own gTLD. It'd be cute. ICANN: You had us at 'bucketload of money' We needed more gTLDs anyway. So what if a few mega-companies get their own versions?
  - ChikkaChiChi 11y ago
    Because ICANN set this up, and companies have to protect their trademarks. Google isn't going to abandon their perfectly good domains.
    - josteink 11y ago
      > Google isn't going to abandon their perfectly good domains. Good thing icann just increased the available domain-space from "limited" to "unlimited" then. That sounds good for almost everyone, or at least icann.

jitl 11y ago

what's wrong with having gTLD? Seeing lots of this new TLD hate, I want to understand the reasoning.

sneak 11y ago
Adding random things at the root of a hierarchy subverts the entire idea of having a hierarchy in the first place.
- dagw 11y ago
  This battle was lost the second people started using .net and .org for things that wheren't related network technologies and non-profit orgranizations respectively. The nail was driven into the coffin when people started using country tld's for sites that had nothing to do with that country. If anything this might be step back in the right direction. Whereas I cannot tell anything about the nature or origin of a site based on the fact that it has a .net or .ly tld, I will be able to tell something about nature and origin of a site if it has a .google or .apple tld.
  - sneak 11y ago
    Misusing the hierarchy is different than subverting it entirely. Also, your last statement isn't true.
  - josteink 11y ago
    Or .Sony, except there is no guarantee Sony corp actually registered that TLD.
    - amyjess 11y ago
      Hey, I remember the .sony floppy driver bug on '90s Macs! Wow. Such nostalgia.
    - CydeWeys 11y ago
      Sony does own the .sony gTLD: https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-2014081-sony-16mar15-en.pdf https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/request-2014081-... More generally, as part of ICANN's gTLD approval process, if the gTLD being applied for is a trademark, then it can't go to anyone else besides the trademark holder. So there's actually a lot more assurances that you are dealing with who you expect to be dealing with with gTLDs versus random domain names on .com.
      - kedean 11y ago
        Honest question, trademarked according to who? The Internet is a global thing now, so who wins if there's two entities that happen to both have valid claims to a trademark?
        josteink 11y ago
        First one to pay icann money obviously.
creshal 11y ago
The TLD system is arguably broken, because it never turned out as hierarchical as it was supposed to. All the new TLDs do is force people to shell out more money to squat on pointless domains to avoid them being used for fraud (or, worse, by the competition).
- icebraining 11y ago
  Or it makes them finally realize how silly the "we must have them all" is.
  - bulte-rs 11y ago
    Who are you to call millions of pokemon fans silly?
  - creshal 11y ago
    Not happening in my experience. As long as everyone in the industry is earning their share from this madness they'll happily "suggest optimizations to the domain portfolio" of their vict^Wcustomers.

codecondo 11y ago

http://try.everyone/ http://try.everyone/ http://and.theirmother/ http://and.theirmother/

ikeboy 11y ago
I was so hoping for that to be a thing.

wwwhizz 11y ago

Yes, let's not take Google serious.

mmahemoff 11y ago

You wouldn't take Google seriously? I'm sure they didn't fork out just for today, they will be using it for their products at some point. In a few years, it will probably the standard domain for big corps. iphone.apple, macbook.apple, etc. It looks weird now (or an intranet address at best), but once people get used to it, it will be recognisable as a domain just as any.com is now. Not to mention, an explosion of TLDs for reselling (.futbol .enterprise etc) means people will just equate . on billboards etc with a domain.

BetaMechazawa 11y ago
The fact that a company needs their own gTLD is silly. Sites like google have a perfectly good domain. Why use iphone.apple if apple can already do iphone.apple.com or apple.com/iphone? At the end of the day the consumer will not start guessing what domain he/she has to use to get what they want. The average consumer uses a search engine and types in "apple iphone". They don't care about iphone.apple they just want to go to the product page.
- vacri 11y ago
  Well, it's not about need. It's about a story that goes like this: ICANN: Hey, has anyone noticed that our wallets aren't very heavy? Google: We have a bucketload of money just laying around that will fill your wallets, and wouldn't mind our own gTLD. It'd be cute. ICANN: You had us at 'bucketload of money' We needed more gTLDs anyway. So what if a few mega-companies get their own versions?
- ChikkaChiChi 11y ago
  Because ICANN set this up, and companies have to protect their trademarks. Google isn't going to abandon their perfectly good domains.
  - josteink 11y ago
    > Google isn't going to abandon their perfectly good domains. Good thing icann just increased the available domain-space from "limited" to "unlimited" then. That sounds good for almost everyone, or at least icann.