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From the ACLU⁰: "Both Congress’ Government Accountability Office¹ and an independent scientific advisory group² found that there is no evidence that people can

by nmc 11y ago

From the ACLU⁰: "Both Congress’ Government Accountability Office¹ and an independent scientific advisory group² found that there is no evidence that people can identify deception by observing the behavior of others." Claiming the opposite without showing any proof, like the TSA is doing, looks disturbingly like "junk science" to me. 0: https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-sues-tsa-records-discredited-behavior-detection-program https://www.aclu.org/national-security/aclu-sues-tsa-records... 1: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-159 http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-14-159 2: http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100526/pdf/465412a.pdf http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100526/pdf/465412a.pdf

hn_user2 11y ago
Those are great sources, and the quote you cite is great. I totally believe everything you quoted and sourced. I still stand by my criticism of the linked to article, of which that quote was not a part. I think this is great stuff to bring to light.
res0nat0r 11y ago
Maybe the TSA screening is junk due to lack of training or proper implementation, but behavioural observation is hardly junk science, Israel does exactly this and has one of the safest airports in the world due to their security screening processes. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4978149.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/what-israeli-air...
- nmc 11y ago
  There is not a single word in the article about any scientific research supporting these methods. Of course you can say "look, the airport is safe, it must be working", but this is no proof. Moreover, these "security screening processes" you mention look very much like racial profiling to me. The article states that the duration of security interviews is "based on such factors as age, race, religion and destination".
  - res0nat0r 11y ago
    Racial profiling is an evil word in the USA, but not so much overseas. If cops are investigating a serial killer possibly living in my neighborhood, I'm not going to be offended if they look closer at me since I'm a youngish white guy who fits the profile and is more likely to be a serial killer than other demographic groups. I don't see why doing the same thing and focusing on groups in airports whom are statistically more likely to do harm on airplanes is a bad thing. The reason why the TSA is a joke is because it is wrapped up in politics and tries to tiptoe around the whole profiling aspect, where if they just focused on behaviour and also people who are more likely to fit the bill of someone whom might commit a crime, a lot of the other annoying crap that comes with screening could go away and still have improved screening results. Also feel free to explore references outward from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling

by nmc 11y ago

hn_user2 11y ago

Those are great sources, and the quote you cite is great. I totally believe everything you quoted and sourced. I still stand by my criticism of the linked to article, of which that quote was not a part. I think this is great stuff to bring to light.

res0nat0r 11y ago

Maybe the TSA screening is junk due to lack of training or proper implementation, but behavioural observation is hardly junk science, Israel does exactly this and has one of the safest airports in the world due to their security screening processes. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/what-israeli-airport-secu_b_4978149.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-wagner/what-israeli-air...

nmc 11y ago
There is not a single word in the article about any scientific research supporting these methods. Of course you can say "look, the airport is safe, it must be working", but this is no proof. Moreover, these "security screening processes" you mention look very much like racial profiling to me. The article states that the duration of security interviews is "based on such factors as age, race, religion and destination".
- res0nat0r 11y ago
  Racial profiling is an evil word in the USA, but not so much overseas. If cops are investigating a serial killer possibly living in my neighborhood, I'm not going to be offended if they look closer at me since I'm a youngish white guy who fits the profile and is more likely to be a serial killer than other demographic groups. I don't see why doing the same thing and focusing on groups in airports whom are statistically more likely to do harm on airplanes is a bad thing. The reason why the TSA is a joke is because it is wrapped up in politics and tries to tiptoe around the whole profiling aspect, where if they just focused on behaviour and also people who are more likely to fit the bill of someone whom might commit a crime, a lot of the other annoying crap that comes with screening could go away and still have improved screening results. Also feel free to explore references outward from here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predictive_profiling