> You witness those who've made it as devs If you read my other comment you also read the part where I said I have been around a lot of terrible developers (wo

> You witness those who've made it as devs If you read my other comment you also read the part where I said I have been around a lot of terrible developers (worked with, for, under, around, consulted for, etc). These people have "made it" as you said, with long careers in software development, but they are far from competent. Which leads us to your next point: > how many of them end up as decent developers I don't honestly think where or how you start can be used as any sort of determination for how "decent" you are. What matters to me is passion (i've said this a few times already in other comments). When I am hiring and interviewing developers to bring on to the team I barely look at their resumes and I definitely don't look at their education history. Whats more important to me is the initial call, and then the face-to-face. I don't even bother asking any real technical questions. What i'm looking for is a spark; something that tells me this person loves to build and learn. Self-taught or university taught makes no difference at the end of the day, and should never be used as basis to judge whether a person is a "decent" developer or not.