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They can't. They said in a court of law that IE can't be separated from Windows.

by mishoo 12y ago

monocasa 12y ago
That had more to do with the fact that Windows depends on the Trident than the other way around. Stuff like the help files used mshtml.dll.
pacofvf 12y ago
But this is another Browser: > This new rendering engine was designed with Project Spartan in mind, but will also be available in Internet Explorer on Windows 10 for enterprises and other customers who require legacy extensibility support.
- mishoo 12y ago
  This is a good point. While I have my doubts that it will be an entirely new browser, by simply renaming it they might be able to offer a version for non-Windows OS-es without making earlier statements seem ridiculous. And they should.
Denvercoder9 12y ago
Spartan isn't IE.
- Touche 12y ago
  I know this is this is the narrative they are trying to promote but I remove code from my projects all the time but don't feel it makes it a different project.
  - jonathansampson 12y ago
    Spartan isn't a subset of IE either. We've added support for nearly 50 standards, and more. The delta between IE and Spartan is massive, and growing quickly.
    - Touche 12y ago
      Interesting, if it's a complete fork does that mean IE is not going to be maintained? I thought IE was going to continue on for the time being. If there isn't a common codebase does that mean you're going to be duplicating work? Why?
      - jonathansampson 12y ago
        Internet Explorer will stick around for legacy applications, but Project Spartan uses EdgeHTML (a fork of MSHTML) and is meant to be used with the web moving forward.
bsimpson 12y ago
Citation? IE shipped on Mac until Safari was released.
- aaronbrethorst 12y ago
  Mac IE used a different rendering engine than Windows IE. Windows' is (was) called Trident. Mac IE's was called Tasman[1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_(layout_engine) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_(layout_engine)
- mishoo 12y ago
  “Microsoft stated that the merging of Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer was the result of innovation and competition, that the two were now the same product and were inextricably linked together and that consumers were now getting all the benefits of IE for free. Those who opposed Microsoft's position countered that the browser was still a distinct and separate product which did not need to be tied to the operating system, since a separate version of Internet Explorer was available for Mac OS.” — from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
  - gtirloni 12y ago
    This isn't legacy IE but a new engine. It's like saying Chrome can't run on Linux because MS said IE can't be separated from Windows. Nonsense, but I get your point ("MS lied back then").
mynameisvlad 12y ago
The actual court case you're referring to has to do with the bundling of IE with Windows and how it can't be pulled out. Remember that IE actually used to be cross-platform until version 5 with IE for Mac although it used a different rendering engine (Tasman vs Trident).

They can't. They said in a court of law that IE can't be separated from Windows.

by mishoo 12y ago

They can't. They said in a court of law that IE can't be separated from Windows.

That had more to do with the fact that Windows depends on the Trident than the other way around. Stuff like the help files used mshtml.dll.

pacofvf 12y ago

But this is another Browser: > This new rendering engine was designed with Project Spartan in mind, but will also be available in Internet Explorer on Windows 10 for enterprises and other customers who require legacy extensibility support.

mishoo 12y ago
This is a good point. While I have my doubts that it will be an entirely new browser, by simply renaming it they might be able to offer a version for non-Windows OS-es without making earlier statements seem ridiculous. And they should.

Denvercoder9 12y ago

Spartan isn't IE.

Touche 12y ago
I know this is this is the narrative they are trying to promote but I remove code from my projects all the time but don't feel it makes it a different project.
- jonathansampson 12y ago
  Spartan isn't a subset of IE either. We've added support for nearly 50 standards, and more. The delta between IE and Spartan is massive, and growing quickly.
  - Touche 12y ago
    Interesting, if it's a complete fork does that mean IE is not going to be maintained? I thought IE was going to continue on for the time being. If there isn't a common codebase does that mean you're going to be duplicating work? Why?
    - jonathansampson 12y ago
      Internet Explorer will stick around for legacy applications, but Project Spartan uses EdgeHTML (a fork of MSHTML) and is meant to be used with the web moving forward.

bsimpson 12y ago

Citation? IE shipped on Mac until Safari was released.

aaronbrethorst 12y ago
Mac IE used a different rendering engine than Windows IE. Windows' is (was) called Trident. Mac IE's was called Tasman[1] [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_(layout_engine) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tasman_(layout_engine)
mishoo 12y ago
“Microsoft stated that the merging of Microsoft Windows and Internet Explorer was the result of innovation and competition, that the two were now the same product and were inextricably linked together and that consumers were now getting all the benefits of IE for free. Those who opposed Microsoft's position countered that the browser was still a distinct and separate product which did not need to be tied to the operating system, since a separate version of Internet Explorer was available for Mac OS.” — from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Corp.
- gtirloni 12y ago
  This isn't legacy IE but a new engine. It's like saying Chrome can't run on Linux because MS said IE can't be separated from Windows. Nonsense, but I get your point ("MS lied back then").

mynameisvlad 12y ago

The actual court case you're referring to has to do with the bundling of IE with Windows and how it can't be pulled out. Remember that IE actually used to be cross-platform until version 5 with IE for Mac although it used a different rendering engine (Tasman vs Trident).