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Being trans is not a 'radical subculture'

by ohkine 12y ago

igorgue 12y ago
I think he's referring to "people who commit suicide virally" not just Transgenders.
- intortus 12y ago
  Which is also not a radical subculture.
  - blueflow 12y ago
    This is not true. On tumblr, you can get bubbled with everything you say/do/are. And posts glorifying self-harm and suicide are still happening.
  - igorgue 12y ago
    Neither are programmers that don't explain themselves when they say "YOU'RE WRONG. I KNOW WHY BUT I WONT TELL YOU!" In other words you fit perfectly here :)
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adamnemecek 12y ago
killing yourself is a pretty radical solution though.
- joshstrange 12y ago
  And that may be obvious to an adult or someone with a fully developed mind but let's not pretend that when you were this age everything felt 100x more important than it was looking back. This is always going to be the case but it get's better as you get older. At that age being ostracised by classmates and/or parents can feel like the end of the world.
  - Domenic_S 12y ago
    Of course, that's the point. When that teen is in their Tumblr bubble, and all the other teens in that bubble say, "yes you're right, this really is the end of the world", is it any surprise that some of them take radical self-harm actions?
    - joshstrange 12y ago
      That's a very good point, still I worry about destroying, infiltratration, censoring these "bubbles". We don't know the stats of kids who were considering (or had resigned themselves to suicide) who then found such a bubble that gave them the support they needed to keep living. What I'm saying is the effort to stop this from happening may have worse consequences than doing nothing or rather working to fix the root issue instead of playing whack-a-mole when it is finally staring us in the face and we can't ignore it any longer (See: War on Drugs).
  - DasIch 12y ago
    Saying it gets better may work for a little bullying. Telling a transgender teen that "it gets better" is an obvious lie.
    - joshstrange 12y ago
      How about saying "It gets better" to a gay/lesbian kid? (Real question, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it)
      - DasIch 12y ago
        At least in the western world, I think that's significantly less of a problem as much more progress has been made for example when it comes to marriage or representation in the media. It also appears that "peak resistance" has been overcome and further progress is inevitable. Even so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone can escape school, escaping a country, state or just city for a more accepting environment is a lot more difficult.
timdaub 12y ago
I think he never intended to say that, still his statement right. Tumblr as well as like reddit are good discussion platforms for subcultures.
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Being trans is not a 'radical subculture'

by ohkine 12y ago

Being trans is not a 'radical subculture'

igorgue 12y ago

I think he's referring to "people who commit suicide virally" not just Transgenders.

intortus 12y ago
Which is also not a radical subculture.
- blueflow 12y ago
  This is not true. On tumblr, you can get bubbled with everything you say/do/are. And posts glorifying self-harm and suicide are still happening.
- igorgue 12y ago
  Neither are programmers that don't explain themselves when they say "YOU'RE WRONG. I KNOW WHY BUT I WONT TELL YOU!" In other words you fit perfectly here :)

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adamnemecek 12y ago

killing yourself is a pretty radical solution though.

joshstrange 12y ago
And that may be obvious to an adult or someone with a fully developed mind but let's not pretend that when you were this age everything felt 100x more important than it was looking back. This is always going to be the case but it get's better as you get older. At that age being ostracised by classmates and/or parents can feel like the end of the world.
- Domenic_S 12y ago
  Of course, that's the point. When that teen is in their Tumblr bubble, and all the other teens in that bubble say, "yes you're right, this really is the end of the world", is it any surprise that some of them take radical self-harm actions?
  - joshstrange 12y ago
    That's a very good point, still I worry about destroying, infiltratration, censoring these "bubbles". We don't know the stats of kids who were considering (or had resigned themselves to suicide) who then found such a bubble that gave them the support they needed to keep living. What I'm saying is the effort to stop this from happening may have worse consequences than doing nothing or rather working to fix the root issue instead of playing whack-a-mole when it is finally staring us in the face and we can't ignore it any longer (See: War on Drugs).
- DasIch 12y ago
  Saying it gets better may work for a little bullying. Telling a transgender teen that "it gets better" is an obvious lie.
  - joshstrange 12y ago
    How about saying "It gets better" to a gay/lesbian kid? (Real question, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it)
    - DasIch 12y ago
      At least in the western world, I think that's significantly less of a problem as much more progress has been made for example when it comes to marriage or representation in the media. It also appears that "peak resistance" has been overcome and further progress is inevitable. Even so it has to be taken with a grain of salt. Everyone can escape school, escaping a country, state or just city for a more accepting environment is a lot more difficult.

timdaub 12y ago

I think he never intended to say that, still his statement right. Tumblr as well as like reddit are good discussion platforms for subcultures.

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