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It's not just in the past, it is on going, still in these modern times. If you can't understand what is wrong with the "men's movement", then we are too far ap

It's not just in the past, it is on going, still in these modern times. If you can't understand what is wrong with the "men's movement", then we are too far apart in idealogy to even have a discussion. I doubt anything I say will sway you, and I'm pretty sure there is nothing you can say to defend the men's movement that will sway me (you are welcome to try if you like). But bringing up the use of the term sausagefest while ignoring the rest of the article is a large problem, the men's movement is all about point out the fly in the china shop while ignoring the fact they are the bull.

totony 12y ago
I don't know what is "men's movement", but including me in it to close an argument is VERY poor form. I'm still curious about your opinion on: "So equality, for you, is that we can mock males, but not women (i.e. titfest vs sausagefest), because in the past women have been seen as inferior to men?"
- modfodder 12y ago
  You can google "men's rights movement" if you'd like more information and then decide yourself whether you agree with their stance or not. As for equality, we'll never be truly equal unless we experience at least some of what the oppressed have lived through. So yeah, I don't mind a woman using the term sausagefest, seems only fair when looking back on how men have treated women for much of history.
  - totony 12y ago
    This >As for equality, we'll never be truly equal unless we experience at least some of what the oppressed have lived through. Is a ridiculous, unbased statement. I have never seen anything that support such a view. What you seem to be saying is that, since one group has been unequally treated in the past, we should treat unequally the other group. And you call unequally treating the other group equality. This conversation is old and is leading to nothing, so this was my last reply. Feel free to reply if you have anything to add/clarify, I will try to read it.
    - modfodder 12y ago
      I don't call unequally treating the other group equality, but I don't believe we can get to the land of equality without the privileged walking through the tunnel of oppression. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you have never seen anything to support such a view because your eyes are closed.
      - totony 12y ago
        I said that would be my last comment, but I couldn't resist. "An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind." - Ghandi
      - modfodder 12y ago
        Never said the oppression of the privileged had to equal the prior oppressions, but don't think the privileged snapping their fingers one day and saying it is all o.k. will make it so. You can't abuse a man for decades, set him free and then believe it is all equal.

totony 12y ago

I don't know what is "men's movement", but including me in it to close an argument is VERY poor form. I'm still curious about your opinion on: "So equality, for you, is that we can mock males, but not women (i.e. titfest vs sausagefest), because in the past women have been seen as inferior to men?"

modfodder 12y ago
You can google "men's rights movement" if you'd like more information and then decide yourself whether you agree with their stance or not. As for equality, we'll never be truly equal unless we experience at least some of what the oppressed have lived through. So yeah, I don't mind a woman using the term sausagefest, seems only fair when looking back on how men have treated women for much of history.
- totony 12y ago
  This >As for equality, we'll never be truly equal unless we experience at least some of what the oppressed have lived through. Is a ridiculous, unbased statement. I have never seen anything that support such a view. What you seem to be saying is that, since one group has been unequally treated in the past, we should treat unequally the other group. And you call unequally treating the other group equality. This conversation is old and is leading to nothing, so this was my last reply. Feel free to reply if you have anything to add/clarify, I will try to read it.
  - modfodder 12y ago
    I don't call unequally treating the other group equality, but I don't believe we can get to the land of equality without the privileged walking through the tunnel of oppression. Maybe I'm wrong, or maybe you have never seen anything to support such a view because your eyes are closed.
    - totony 12y ago
      I said that would be my last comment, but I couldn't resist. "An eye for an eye will only make the whole world blind." - Ghandi
    - modfodder 12y ago
      Never said the oppression of the privileged had to equal the prior oppressions, but don't think the privileged snapping their fingers one day and saying it is all o.k. will make it so. You can't abuse a man for decades, set him free and then believe it is all equal.