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From one of his tweets: > Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off. http

From one of his tweets: > Hydraulics are usually closed, but that adds mass vs short acting open systems. F9 fins only work for 4 mins. We were ~10% off. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/554023312033341440 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/554023312033341440

fit2rule 12y ago
Is there a chance someone could explain this - how does not being able to move the fins (with hydraulics) translate into a hard landing - were they just off the target landing spot because the fins couldn't be used to fine-tune the descent to within a meter of the target landing zone, and thus they 'missed' the barge by a few meters, or is something else at play? EDIT: never mind - I've learned that they have a steering function, as well as drag inducing function, and they ran out of hydraulic fluid required to induce more drag, which would thus slow the rocket down. Leaving my comment here in case anyone else is curious.
- marvin 12y ago
  People on /r/spacex have theorized (with the aid of comments from Musk) that running out of hydraulic fluid caused the grid fins to get stuck in an extreme position, which forced the rocket off course. Cold gas thrusters and gimbaling of the engine tried to correct this, but the end result was that the rocket had insufficient control authority to achieve a controlled landing.
  - StavrosK 12y ago
    How is the rocket going to achieve a controlled landing with no thrust? It seems to me that it would crash into the pad anyway. Or was it that they did have thrust, they were just unable to steer because of the lost pressure?
    - fit2rule 12y ago
      Yes I think you've got it right - they had thrust from the rocket motors, but they ran out of hydraulic fluid required to use the fans to induce more drag, so the rocket came down hard.
    - toomuchtodo 12y ago
      Steering was the problem, not a loss of thrust. If the rocket's trajectory is correct, all that is required is a final hard burn to negate all downward velocity a short distance above the barge deck.
    - srdev 12y ago
      It makes more sense if you watch the video: https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK Basically, because they lost steering it came in too steep, and ended up falling onto the deck on its side because the engines couldn't compensate for that position.

fit2rule 12y ago

Is there a chance someone could explain this - how does not being able to move the fins (with hydraulics) translate into a hard landing - were they just off the target landing spot because the fins couldn't be used to fine-tune the descent to within a meter of the target landing zone, and thus they 'missed' the barge by a few meters, or is something else at play? EDIT: never mind - I've learned that they have a steering function, as well as drag inducing function, and they ran out of hydraulic fluid required to induce more drag, which would thus slow the rocket down. Leaving my comment here in case anyone else is curious.

marvin 12y ago
People on /r/spacex have theorized (with the aid of comments from Musk) that running out of hydraulic fluid caused the grid fins to get stuck in an extreme position, which forced the rocket off course. Cold gas thrusters and gimbaling of the engine tried to correct this, but the end result was that the rocket had insufficient control authority to achieve a controlled landing.
- StavrosK 12y ago
  How is the rocket going to achieve a controlled landing with no thrust? It seems to me that it would crash into the pad anyway. Or was it that they did have thrust, they were just unable to steer because of the lost pressure?
  - fit2rule 12y ago
    Yes I think you've got it right - they had thrust from the rocket motors, but they ran out of hydraulic fluid required to use the fans to induce more drag, so the rocket came down hard.
  - toomuchtodo 12y ago
    Steering was the problem, not a loss of thrust. If the rocket's trajectory is correct, all that is required is a final hard burn to negate all downward velocity a short distance above the barge deck.
  - srdev 12y ago
    It makes more sense if you watch the video: https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK https://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK Basically, because they lost steering it came in too steep, and ended up falling onto the deck on its side because the engines couldn't compensate for that position.